Brixton news, rumours and general chat

[Gramsci]

Really not being abusive - you’re the one who’s constantly being confrontational.

All I’ve said is Brixton (& London generally) needs to be taller and denser for housing. I don’t know the ins and outs of the councils guidelines but presumably their plans for the Tesco site are in line with those.

By not building housing in central London we’re only going to help those that already own property at the expenses of those that haven’t - that seems very unfair and so I’m not so concerned about someone being slightly overshadowed - buying a house gives you the house not the right to stop all development around you.

No you are being confrontational.

You started this not me.

Don't twist this around.

 

[Gramsci]

Really not being abusive - you’re the one who’s constantly being confrontational.

All I’ve said is Brixton (& London generally) needs to be taller and denser for housing. I don’t know the ins and outs of the councils guidelines but presumably their plans for the Tesco site are in line with those.

By not building housing in central London we’re only going to help those that already own property at the expenses of those that haven’t - that seems very unfair and so I’m not so concerned about someone being slightly overshadowed - buying a house gives you the house not the right to stop all development around you.

Perhaps you should go and look at the planning policies.

And not criticise me for supporting them with this abuse I always oppose everything the Council does,

I notice you do not answer my specific questions.

 

[edcraw]

Perhaps you should go and look at the planning policies.

And not criticise me for supporting them with this abuse I always oppose everything the Council does,

I notice you do not answer my specific questions.

I’ve answered your questions.

Why don’t you think we should build denser and higher in Brixton?

And where should we be building the homes that are needed instead?

 

[Gramsci]

I’ve answered your questions.

Why don’t you think we should build denser and higher in Brixton?

And where should we be building the homes that are needed instead?

No you haven't

 

[edcraw]

No you haven't

Well say them again and answer the 2 you’ve just quoted.

 

[Gramsci]

I’ve answered your questions.

Why don’t you think we should build denser and higher in Brixton?

And where should we be building the homes that are needed instead?

Your accusation is that I oppose the Council on nearly everything.

 

[Gramsci]

Well say them again and answer the 2 you’ve just quoted.

Cannot you not read?

 

[edcraw]

Cannot you not read?

Yes - I can. I thought I’d answered them so please put the ones you think I’ve missed again and I’ll answer them.

Also, please answer my 2. Thanks!

 

[Gramsci]

What views are protected in LJ?

And yes, Brixton shouldn’t be limited to 4 stories. If we can’t build density here where can you?

You accuse me of being constantly confrontational.

I was not directing any post at you.

But this spat started with you not me.

Yet you accuse me being and I quote "constantly confrontational"

I did not even start this whole argument about tall buildings. Yet I'm the one characterised by you as being confrontational

 

[Gramsci]

Yes - I can. I thought I’d answered them so please put the ones you think I’ve missed again and I’ll answer them.

Also, please answer my 2. Thanks!

Tell you what how about you go off and read the local plan.

 

[nagapie]

Planning laws are important for quality of life, once you take them away you allow a lack of legislation that only benefits property developers.
All this talk about needing housing but whatever is built will be privately owned with very little being 'affordable', which isn't even that.
Unless the proposed Tesco development is going to be social housing?

 

[Gramsci]

On Tesco site

I was thinking about local examples

Coop supermarket on Brixton road has housing above. Lidl in Stockwell has housing above.

In both case the height is in line with nearby housing/ buildings.

In Stockwell case local estate/ Victorian housing opposite and school next door

In Coop case same level as new block of flats next door and Victorian housing on other side.

Neither look pretty but proportions are in line with nearby housing of different ages.

 

[edcraw]

Tell you what how about you go off and read the local plan.

You can’t accuse me of not answering you’re questions when you won’t say what they are and also completely ignore ones I put to you.

Really struggling to see what points you are making tbh.

 

[Gramsci]

If you’re describing nine stories as skyscrapers think you’ve lost the plot.

And your accusing me of being confrontational

 

[Gramsci]

You can’t accuse me of not answering you’re questions when you won’t say what they are and also completely ignore ones I put to you.

Really struggling to see what points you are making tbh.

Tell you what. Don't have a go at me on this forum if you don't like what you get back in return.

 

[edcraw]

Planning laws are important for quality of life, once you take them away you allow a lack of legislation that only benefits property developers.
All this talk about needing housing but whatever is built will be privately owned with very little being 'affordable', which isn't even that.
Unless the proposed Tesco development is going to be social housing?

People were objecting to the Avenue Park Rd site in Tulse Hill for having too much social housing but yes fair point that we need guarantees but would that mean people would not object to taller buildings?

 

[edcraw]

Tell you what. Don't have a go at me on this forum if you don't like what you get back in return.

It’s not that I don’t like what I get back it’s just your not backing up your points or telling we what questions I’m not answering and so I’m struggling to see your point and I don’t know what you’d be in favour of.

 

[Gramsci]

It’s not that I don’t like what I get back it’s just your not backing up your points or telling we what questions I’m not answering and so I’m struggling to see your point and I don’t know what you’d be in favour of.

FFS I've quoted from Lambeth planning website.

And their consultation doc Green Cllrs comments

 

[edcraw]

FFS I've quoted from Lambeth planning website.

And their consultation doc.

So your pint is that Lambeth’s planning policy is perfect? Does the Tesco site not fit into it then?

 

[CH1]

I just wanted to post up the only recent development I actually like - and is in fact an improvement on the building it replaced
Mary Seacole House


Clearly the original Mary Seacole House was not much loved - the only image I can find via a Google search is this one, covered in scaffolding. But you get the general idea.

a feast for snowy_again 's eyes no doubt!

 

[Gramsci]

So your pint is that Lambeth’s planning policy is perfect? Does the Tesco site not fit into it then?

You really don't get this stuff.

 

[edcraw]

I just wanted to post up the only recent development I actually like - and is in fact an improvement on the building it replaced
Mary Seacole House
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Clearly the original Mary Seacole House was not much loved - the only image I can find via a Google search is this one, covered in scaffolding. But you get the general idea.
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a feast for snowy_again 's eyes no doubt!

So it’s purely aesthetics for you? This has less than the minimum of affordable housing at only 31% and not sure how much was actual social housing.

Is your point that we should only build tall buildings where they’re replacing existing tall buildings?

 

[edcraw]

You really don't get this stuff.

Well explain it then

 

[CH1]

So it’s purely aesthetics for you? This has less than the minimum of affordable housing at only 31% and not sure how much was actual social housing.

Is your point that we should only build tall buildings where they’re replacing existing tall buildings?

The original Mary Seacole House was 100% offices - so the new one is at least 100% more housing.
And in any case I seem to recall there was off site social housing involved in this PFI scheme - on other side of Clapham Road behind the new sports centre.

 

[edcraw]

There’s currently no housing on the Tesco site.

 

[Gramsci]

Well explain it then

Go back and read my posts.

 

[Gramsci]

Well explain it then

I'm starting to think your trolling me.

 

[teuchter]

Most European cities are 7 stories throughout

This is not really true, or at least it's a massive oversimplification, and it doesn't mean that you can just make all London streets 7 storeys high without problems.

Additionally, the comment elsewhere about the Loughborough estate - I don't think it achieves particularly higher density than the Victorian streets it replaced - that wasn't really the aim at that time and with that kind of planning (high blocks with a lot of open space around then). It's just not comparable (in town planning or architectural terms) to the kind of opportunistic infill high density high rise that we are seeing now. I don't necessarily use the word opportunistic as a negative one - sometimes these developments can be argued to take advantage of unused "open space" around the site (NB how often they are next to railway lines). However they also often take advantage of sky space (and daylight) that is lost to people who are less able to organise objections.

 

[Gramsci]

Precisely. Loughborough estate was streets in the sky. Some of those post war social housing developments even tried to make sure that those displaced from what was seen at time as Victorian era slum housing low rise were housed next to each other so that each floor replicated a street that was demolished. Thus retaining existing communities.

The aim was not higher density as a first aim it was ( utopian) new kind of housing. Spacing the blocks with plenty of open space and air/ light was all part of the design.

 

[Gramsci]

I was in Balfron Tower a while back before it was refurbished. Each floor had social room/ facilities space at end of each floor.

So in effect each floor was a "street"