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Gramsci
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Your missing something. He was not in a LTN area
This is why I put the LTN thread on ignore. This kind of deliberate wind ups. I KEEP saying Im not against measures to reduce traffic. A lot of people aren't. I however don't have much time for the hardliners on either side. A few posts about parking tickets and low and behold LTNs come up.
Read my post. He only was reversing his small van to turn around. Not going through the side road. To me it is unfair to get ticket for that. He uses his van for work. So its necessary. He isn't a car "nut". A lot of people aren't. They need own transport for legitimate reasons.
Only mentioned it as it doesn’t sound like a parking offence more going through a restricted road & only place I know that’s camera enforced round there is the LTN filter on Atlantic Rd but perhaps Pope’s Rd or Electric Lane or Avenue have them. Put it doesn’t sound like a parking ticket from a camera.
Wasn’t a deliberate wind up.
sounds like public safety as well
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
So it wasn't a parking offence, which are (stupidly) not allowed to be enforced by video
If it was 'automatic', it would have been an ANPR camera and not the CCTV.
This street is no parking or loading at any time. if they're using cameras they're definitely not working.
I don’t think they do - using cameras for parking enforcement was banned in 2014
Pickles outlaws CCTV parking ‘spy cars’ | LocalGov
Councils will be banned from using CCTV ‘spy cars’ alone to enforce on street parking as part of efforts to support local shops.www.localgov.co.uk
Also the tories “why is the public sector so inefficient?”
cuppa tee
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...kind of depressing that people trying to earn a living are viewed as proper villains, my friend was couriering and some weeks he got so many tickets trying to do his drop offs that his take home was about £20. at the other extreme i have seen big 4x4s parked up in the new vauxhall developments with as many as ten tickets on the windscreen, some minted peeps just regard the fine as a v.i.p parking charge....
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Of course if they work at the US embassy it is a local tax which does not have to be paid.
Now the two warehouses have been demolished between Sudbourne Road and Acre Lane it seems it was just too tempting not to squeeze in some more properties.
Ms T
Honey-coloured ramparts
We got a ticket before Xmas for briefly stopping in a yellow box on the A23 in Streatham. Not deliberately, obviously. Fair enough, it was a mistake/error of judgement in fairly heavy traffic. Easily done. I get it needs to be enforced, but £180 for a very minor infraction is disproportionate.
Rushy
basically a scrotum
Change of industrial into housing is generally resisted with exceptions for housing association development, which this appears to be. Although I only managed to look at one document before the portal started returning errors.Now the two warehouses have been demolished between Sudbourne Road and Acre Lane it seems it was just too tempting not to squeeze in some more properties.
Rushy
basically a scrotum
Hearing dissatisfaction with the new Sudbourne School campus (which I think this site was swapped with?). From what I have understood they ran out of funds before works were complete and management is in a bit of a shambles. I used to hear nothing but high praise for that school but it seems to be struggling of late.Now the two warehouses have been demolished between Sudbourne Road and Acre Lane it seems it was just too tempting not to squeeze in some more properties.
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
I thought the warehouse site (and maybe the former garage too) was already lined up for housing association and a planning application was submitted. Then there was talk of swapping the Livity School site (council owned) with the housing association warehouse site so that Sudbourne School would have two adjacent sites. That didn't work out, and Sudbourne expansion site became the Livity
However, that must have been almost 10 years ago so the original planning permission would have lapsed (if it was ever granted). Also, the school expansion has taken so long the 'baby boom' it was needed to serve has passed and Sudbourne has moved entirely to the new site leaving the original one redundant for the moment.
[Edit - site history here - 002R2KBOBU000 | 47 - 49 Acre Lane London SW2 5TN]
Appeal Allowed means permission was granted doesn't it? 11/00044/FULREF | Redevelopment of the site involving the demolition of existing warehouse buildings and the erection of a 3 storey building to provide 21 self contained flats and a part 2 part 3 storey terrace to provide 7 houses which would be accessed from Sudbourne Road, along with with associated landscaping, two disabled car parking spaces and cycle and refuse and recycling storage. | Land Rear Of 47 To 49 Acre Lane London
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Gramsci
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Lambeth website says they use wardens and CCTV
Penalty Charge Notices (PCNs)
Penalty Charge Notices (PCN) are issued either on the street by our Civil Enforcement Officers (CEOs) or by CCTV camera.
www.lambeth.gov.uk
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
It says they use CCTV for PCNs, which are also issued for moving traffic offences (the example being driving in a bus lane)Lambeth website says they use wardens and CCTV
Penalty Charge Notices (PCNs)
Penalty Charge Notices (PCN) are issued either on the street by our Civil Enforcement Officers (CEOs) or by CCTV camera.
I've provided you with evidence that it is not that they don't choose to, but that they are not permitted to (ridiculously) use them for parking offences. If you can find evidence that has changed please provide it as it would be really useful to know.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
The new much bigger scheme is still Notting Hill Genesis, but under the name of Springboard Two Housing Association.
Springboard Two has a floating charge registered in favour of Notting Hill Genesis
Why the creative accounting one wonders? Is this a Homes for Lambeth style vehicle designed to allow Notting Hill to maximise profit/evade right to buy?
Maybe Rushy might know?
cuppa tee
Well-Known Member
....the bit at the bottom says they can be used for parking offences....
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
see post above. If you’ve got evidence cctv can be used legally for parking then great.
cuppa tee
Well-Known Member
I don’t think they do - using cameras for parking enforcement was banned in 2014
Pickles outlaws CCTV parking ‘spy cars’ | LocalGov
Councils will be banned from using CCTV ‘spy cars’ alone to enforce on street parking as part of efforts to support local shops.
maybe just me, but the above posts seem to be contradictory.
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Gramsci
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According to government advice Councils can use CCTV in certain cases.
As Atlantic road is a bus route it might be possible to argue CCTV could be used for parking enforcement in order to keep traffic moving. Even though it is not a red route I often see the bus struggling to get down Atlantic road.
Take your point on the market area. I see traffic wardens on my street . A CPZ residential zone. And on Brixton station road up from Pop towards LJ.
The car park in Brixton station road never looks full
As other posters have said this is low hanging fruit.With less likelihood of aggro. If I was a traffic warden I would not go anywhere near the market.
Government bans use of CCTV 'spy cars' for on-street parking
Use of closed circuit television spy cars on their own to enforce on-street parking made illegal.
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
no the link clearly state that it is for Parking PCNs not PCNs in general which cover a whole lot of other offences (a yellow box being the first one that come to mind)
did that law come into force though?
T & P
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THE advent of hire club cars has brought a new set of problems with camera-issued PCNs. If you get a CCTV fine, you will naturally be completely unaware of the issue. The local authority then sends the PCN to Zipcar or whichever car club it might be. And sometimes by the time they get to pay it, the fourteen day half price period has passed. So it’s a full £130 fine, which the car club then charges your card for. So a full price fine, and no right of appeal. Which is shit and probably would be ruled as unlawful if anyone took the matter to the courts.
To be fair to Lambeth or TFL/ other local authorities, the car club companies are as much if not more to blame for the situation. But at the very least, they should introduce an extended reduced payment period for car club infractions.
To be fair to Lambeth or TFL/ other local authorities, the car club companies are as much if not more to blame for the situation. But at the very least, they should introduce an extended reduced payment period for car club infractions.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
They are entirely to blame for the situation, surely.
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
They are entirely to blame for drivers not following the rules and getting fines?
T & P
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No, for removing the right of appeal and/or the right to pay early for a reduced penalty charge. Which I'm pretty sure is unlawful.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
If car club drivers are getting larger fines than regular drivers, and you are looking to blame for this, then I'd say it's the car club companies not the local authorities.
It's not something I'm going to lose too much sleep over though because as you say, the fines can be avoided altogether by driving carefully.
Rushy
basically a scrotum
I think it is fair to point out that the appeals process is not there to serve people who have been fairly ticketed but those who believe they have been unfairly ticketed. Over 50% of appeals are successful.
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