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CH1 said:
This doesn't look too good TfL to axe 250 buses and 16 routes in biggest London bus cut in decades

The 45 is the most reliable bus along Coldharbour Lane - and the only bus to connect Brixton Hill with Camberwell.
Plus its fleet is the most modern - is that why it's being axed?
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Don’t know the ins and outs but sort of have to trust TfL a bit when they review these. Used to live in Clapham Park and the 45 ‘diverting’ via Camberwell was always quite a pain. The 59 starting from there seems pretty sensible tbh.
 
edcraw said:
Don’t know the ins and outs but sort of have to trust TfL a bit when they review these. Used to live in Clapham Park and the 45 ‘diverting’ via Camberwell was always quite a pain. The 59 starting from there seems pretty sensible tbh.
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You have to consider Brixton to Camberwell - buses only no tube alternative.
Can be very overcrowded on a bus - even with the 45 in service.
What will it be like when it's only the 35 and 345?
BTW this is a service for Kings College Hospital.
 
Think the mayor is not quite telling the full story here as many of these bus routes have been in decline since 2014, way before the pandemic. London has always had way too many buses. Compare London to many other areas of the country and the frequency is miles better. I’m hoping less buses improves congestion too.
 
Not a Vet said:
Think the mayor is not quite telling the full story here as many of these bus routes have been in decline since 2014, way before the pandemic. London has always had way too many buses. Compare London to many other areas of the country and the frequency is miles better. I’m hoping less buses improves congestion too.
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That's a non-sequitur if ever there was one. Going back to pre-Livingstone "bus every 55 minutes" on exotic routes will have people back in their cars.
Back in the 1980s they wanted to scrap the P4 and the 345 was a single decker.
Wound like that would be progress to you?
 
CH1 said:
That's a non-sequitur if ever there was one. Going back to pre-Livingstone "bus every 55 minutes" on exotic routes will have people back in their cars.
Back in the 1980s they wanted to scrap the P4 and the 345 was a single decker.
Wound like that would be progress to you?
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Last I checked it was 2022, not 1980. TFL need to make savings. The 45 is covered by people changing buses, no extra cost as there’s a hopper fare
 
CH1 said:
That's a non-sequitur if ever there was one. Going back to pre-Livingstone "bus every 55 minutes" on exotic routes will have people back in their cars.
Back in the 1980s they wanted to scrap the P4 and the 345 was a single decker.
Wound like that would be progress to you?
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Well said. People have short memories and seem to forget how the Tories ran London Transport into the ground after they nationalised it following the demise of the GLC in 1986. These politically motivated cuts from DfT are just spite against a Labour Mayor (and from a Government that wasted billions during Covid in 2020 and 2021).
 
There may be political motivation but that works both ways. TFL need to either make savings or we could just centrally fund it as has happened in Scotland but as the RMT are just realising, that means pay rises are also decided centrally.
 
CH1 said:
This doesn't look too good TfL to axe 250 buses and 16 routes in biggest London bus cut in decades

The 45 is the most reliable bus along Coldharbour Lane - and the only bus to connect Brixton Hill with Camberwell.
Plus its fleet is the most modern - is that why it's being axed?
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TfL say:
Withdrawing route 45 would help to better match capacity to demand on the Walworth Road and Coldharbour Lane area, and simplify the network by reducing the number of parallel routes on both corridors.

Restructuring route 59 would retain bus links between Clapham Park and Brixton / Brixton Hill.

Customers wishing to travel between Clapham Park and Coldharbour Lane / Walworth Road would be able to interchange with route 35 at Brixton Station, which currently parallels the 45 on these corridors
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45 bus route through Brixton likely to be withdrawn under Transport for London (TfL) plans

Transport for London (TfL) has announced that bus services in central London could be cut by up to 20% after launching a consultation that could see 250 buses removed from service, and 16 routes ax…
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editor said:
TfL say:


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45 bus route through Brixton likely to be withdrawn under Transport for London (TfL) plans

Transport for London (TfL) has announced that bus services in central London could be cut by up to 20% after launching a consultation that could see 250 buses removed from service, and 16 routes ax…
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This looks like and outbreak of SW2 vs SW9 if you ask me.
People don't like taking the 45 "south" but have disregard for those of us needing to travel East-West!
 
Not a Vet said:
Think the mayor is not quite telling the full story here as many of these bus routes have been in decline since 2014, way before the pandemic. London has always had way too many buses. Compare London to many other areas of the country and the frequency is miles better. I’m hoping less buses improves congestion too.
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Can you explain what you mean by "London has always had way too many buses"? Based on what?
 
Folk should be clear that these reductions are a direct result of a reduction in funding to TfL.

It may well be the case that there are certain changes that should be made to reflect changing patterns in transport use (as has always happened) and no doubt TfL are attempting to reorganise things in a way that has the least negative impact overall.

Unlike nearly every other European large city, London's transport has been heavily reliant on ticket revenue for funding. That revenue disappeared during Covid, there's a black hole in the finances to be filled, and central government are refusing to fill it, instead demanding that London's public transport system is reduced in size and frequency.
 
CH1 said:
People don't like taking the 45 "south" but have disregard for those of us needing to travel East-West!
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Indeed the 45 is the only direct link between Brixton Hill & Camberwell.

Of course, journeys would still be possible with a change of buses, and the hopper fare means this is no longer more expensive, but changing is a hassle for people travelling with shopping or other stuff, and makes the journey take significantly longer, with more standing at bus stops on rainy days.
 
teuchter said:
Folk should be clear that these reductions are a direct result of a reduction in funding to TfL.

It may well be the case that there are certain changes that should be made to reflect changing patterns in transport use (as has always happened) and no doubt TfL are attempting to reorganise things in a way that has the least negative impact overall.

Unlike nearly every other European large city, London's transport has been heavily reliant on ticket revenue for funding. That revenue disappeared during Covid, there's a black hole in the finances to be filled, and central government are refusing to fill it, instead demanding that London's public transport system is reduced in size and frequency.
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Might as well get "Shagger Norris" back in charge. He is at one with Boris on so many things.
It was he who "upped" the bus fares to a flat-rate 50p in 1992.
 
How about running the 133 to St Barts instead of Liverpool Street?
The current TfL traffic planners seem to have a total horror of people using connecting services - as we saw with the 2,3, 196 NOT outside the Brixton tube over recent years.
 
CH1 said:
How about running the 133 to St Barts instead of Liverpool Street?
The current TfL traffic planners seem to have a total horror of people using connecting services - as we saw with the 2,3, 196 NOT outside the Brixton tube over recent years.
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Thats a really dumb idea. The 133 to liverpool street makes lots of ne london easy for us on public transport.
 
Torpid Scorpion said:
Thats a really dumb idea. The 133 to liverpool street makes lots of ne london easy for us on public transport.
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They must be proposing filling a gap caused by cuts in the Holborn area???
If they do this those who don't like travelling via Walworth Road will be forced to get the 35 like it or lump it.
 
northeast said:
If anyone is up high should be a good view of the flypast this afternoon from Brixton around 12:15 / 12:30. Personally i think its a total waste of resources and pollution etc but unfortunately can't stop it

Trooping the Colour - Ceremonial Events - The Household Division - Official site

www.householddivision.org.uk www.householddivision.org.uk
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This suggests more like 1 - 1.30pm

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Where can I watch the RAF flypast over the Platinum Jubilee bank holiday | ITV News

The flypast is expected to soar over the Buckingham Palace balcony at 1pm but there will be opportunities to watch them as they head towards London. | ITV National News
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