Brian Taylor
Active Member
Click your heels, cross your fingers and wish very hard.... they'll evaporate.
Brixton Liveable Neighbourhood and LTN schemes - improvements for pedestrians and cyclists
- Thread starter teuchter
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co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
Or maybe build a 6 lane motorway down CHL, then surely there'll never be any traffic jams ever again.
sparkybird
ask the bird...
I don't use Waze. Can you enlighten me as to what the symbols mean please?
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I know a shopkeeper nearby on CHL. I asked him if he has noticed more traffic and he said yes.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Back in the day were there cars that weren't black, grey or white?
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I don't either actually - I think you can ignore the little symbols if you're just interested in congestion, they are user reports. I've now worked out how to turn those layers off. Red= heavy congestion, orange medium congestion, etc.
Here's the same two areas just now:
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
As Teuchter says the stronger the red the more traffic on that section of a red. It goes from light red to dark red.
The little round red symbol has cars on it to show heavy traffic. ie not an accident.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I think it just shows that a user has reported heavy traffic (rather than the system working it out from travel data).
editor
hiraethified
5pm:
And right now:
I'm all for reducing traffic on the roads - bring it on, I say! - but I can't help going a bit NIMBY when it means my street ends up being stuffed full of polluting cars for hours on end every day. I don't want to breathe in their shitty exhaust, thanksverymuch.
And right now:
I'm all for reducing traffic on the roads - bring it on, I say! - but I can't help going a bit NIMBY when it means my street ends up being stuffed full of polluting cars for hours on end every day. I don't want to breathe in their shitty exhaust, thanksverymuch.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Its why a lot of van drivers I know use it. Its constantly updated by drivers on the road. Its easy to update the system as a user of it on the road.
If van drivers I know use it then its reliable. They would not use it otherwise.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
The Waze data confirms that there is congestion on CHL.
The Waze data also confirms that there is lots of congestion in Tooting, along the roads where that congestion was being blamed on the LTNs. And yet the LTNs have been removed there.
The important question is whether the congestion on CHL results mainly from the LTNs, or mainly from other things.
The Waze data also confirms that there is lots of congestion in Tooting, along the roads where that congestion was being blamed on the LTNs. And yet the LTNs have been removed there.
The important question is whether the congestion on CHL results mainly from the LTNs, or mainly from other things.
Jesterburger
Well-Known Member
How much is likely to be due to the closure of the bottom of Atlantic Rd? If that is a factor it would be hard to disentangle the effect of that vs the LTN vs the overall COVID-related uptick in traffic across London (certainly until either the Atlantic Rd building work or COVD ends...which could be a while)
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
Interesting graph on the rise in traffic on C roads in London, it’s almost doubled in the past 10 years, is that satnav?
SOURCE: Road traffic statistics - London region
SOURCE: Road traffic statistics - London region
teuchter
je suis teuchter
As the car drivers have driven onto coldharbour lane it's up to them to prove that the increased traffic isn't due to them driving onto coldharbour lane.
Jesterburger
Well-Known Member
Jesterburger
Well-Known Member
2009 is roughly when smartphones became a thing so fits with the rise of cheaper navigational tech for everyone.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I wonder whether the rise in private hire vehicles is part of the story too.
editor
hiraethified
It's possible but it's clearly marked as closed on Google Maps...
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
That's fantastic - do you want to call the council and tell them to stand down the monitoring team?
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toblerone3
Grrrrr
Give it time, (bedding in takes a year or two or even three) look at the bigger picture and broader area (not just one road please). Look at the burden of proof questions (lets have a rational debate that accepts uncertainties). Frame this question in a different way maybe (don't be a reactionary, give an experiment a chance).
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
As this is a local Brixton forum and I live in the area I talked to a local shopkeeper on CHL I know well and asked him what he thought. So have put it on this forum.
That is one way to use this forum and imo its completely valid use of it.
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Gramsci
Well-Known Member
But that is what has not happened. Council suspended the consultation and went ahead with this using emergency powers.
So it is quite reasonable to expect the Council to look into whether traffic is being displaced onto CHL.
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Gramsci
Well-Known Member
No. The Council instigated the Railton LTN.
If concerns by residents are raised about possible increase in traffic its the Council who should give an answer. Im saying this as non car owner who lives on the affected street.
snowy_again
Slush
This isn’t true and has been pointed out a number of times.
snowy_again
Slush
The One Lambeth group is turning a bit nasty with the usual tropes being rolled out.
Cyclists are ‘scum of the road’ who don’t pay road tax.
A local ltn campaigner has had her home address shared and she’s being fat shamed: ‘Should go to the gym more than being on a bike’ etc.
And as she’s not from the UK apparently has no right to be doing what she’s doing.
Any traffic (caused by accidents or roadworks) is the fault of ltns and Khan has ruined London
Cyclists are ‘scum of the road’ who don’t pay road tax.
A local ltn campaigner has had her home address shared and she’s being fat shamed: ‘Should go to the gym more than being on a bike’ etc.
And as she’s not from the UK apparently has no right to be doing what she’s doing.
Any traffic (caused by accidents or roadworks) is the fault of ltns and Khan has ruined London
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
Yep, seeing this on local facebook pages too, somehow LTNs are anti-Brexit.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
It is true as I was at meeting when the officer in charge of the proposed Liveable Neighbourhood Scheme attended local meeting in LJ.
Are they a cross party group of genuinely concerned locals or a group of rightwing scumbags - I’m confused
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