Brixton Liveable Neighbourhood and LTN schemes - improvements for pedestrians and cyclists
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What are we all going to talk about now?
How great all the other ones are working and how much we’re looking forward to future ones and the successful reintroduction of this one!!
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
Link?
The bike lane plan is (currently) only from S.Circ to Streatham Hill station. Are they also putting bus priority measure in down by the Odeon?
Love Lambeth
Lambeth Council will suspend the Streatham Wells Low Traffic Neighbourhood (LTN) trial in response to concerns about public transport delays and anticipated disruption from planned Transport for London (TfL) construction works on the A23 starting later this spring.
love.lambeth.gov.uk
Increase of only 8% of traffic on boundary roads was enough to cause the issues. Suggests that it could reintroduced and enough time given that would go away from people making other choices.
Yep - it was always a trial and if not working could be removed or changes made.
The reaction in the LTN Watch WhatsApp group is obviously insufferable (someone’s actually said “Make Streatham Great Again”…) but some are realising this is not the victory that many seem to think it is.
Semi-related but nonetheless interesting BBC radio documentary around the whole topic of our attitudes to cars as a society. Analysis - Power Drive - BBC Sounds
Bus Stopped
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Might be a good result all round no? It takes off the short term pressures and the suggestions on this thread can now hopefully be put in place by TfL and I imagine there will now be a real pressure to do so?
Hopefully a good result in the long term but feels pretty bad in the short term.
Just frustrating the amount of effort and time it takes for these sort of improvements when car drivers are endlessly pandered to.
sparkybird
ask the bird...
TfL work at the speed of a snail. I think it will be a long time (if ever) that we see the Streatham Wells Low Traffic Neighbourhood reinstated. I'm just about to move my bed from my nice front bedroom to my tiny back bedroom, so I can get some sleep tonight. I'm lucky I have this option.
As I have said repeatedly, our councillors and council are pathetic.
They have taken a good scheme, implemented it badly. When the issues as a result of that poor implementation have been highlighted, they insist the opposite. Right until Sadiq Khan acknowledges the issues and then the craven lot do an about-turn and scrap it.
They’ve pissed off the die-hard motorists, now the cyclists and residents will be aggrieved.
Result - there’s no LTN and nobody has faith in the council or it’s spokespeople.
technical
stripey
Or, being more positive, we could think the council/councillors have acknowledged the drawbacks the LTN had and have done something about it.
Hopefully if and when it comes back it will have been thought through better
nick
Pleomorphic Adenomas R us
Here is a link to an article on the Standard - should anyone care to read the view of the suspension from the P.o.V of a Russian Oligarch
www.standard.co.uk
Low traffic neighbourhood in Lambeth suspended after 'causing huge problems'
A bus reportedly took more than two hours to travel less than three miles on the A23
www.standard.co.uk
sparkybird
ask the bird...
Quite interesting that Lambeth have just published a report that shows the low traffic neighbourhood was starting to work. Overall traffic down by 2%.
Not launching it in November, for a start. Do it at a time when people will try cycling and walking, where they haven’t before.
Also, keep the design static when launching it next time, rather than including and excluding streets, putting up cameras and signs for streets you have excluded.
And get the signs right on day one. Rather than needing to make endless changes.
What I’d love to see now is that they realise that sitting at the side of the road in the Valley Road parklets isn’t so good and invest in some decent seating for Valley Road playing fields, maybe even some public barbecue space there and let everyone enjoy some public green space.
Bus Stopped
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They also pissed off bus users (which was why TfL and Sadiq Khan got it cancelled, it wasn’t pandering to motorists). Sort that out and given blue badge provisions and then the extra pain for motorists can be filed under suck it up.
Cat Fan
Cats and stats
I said way back in consultation phase on this thread that Streatham Wells was one LTN too far. Closing valley road was the kicker.
Clearly the A23 redesign (which I am super excited about with the new pedestrian crossings and segregated cycle lane) takes priority because that's going to cause massive disruption while it's being constructed.
Maybe SW LTN can come back one day but the new A23 design will have to be taken into account
Clearly the A23 redesign (which I am super excited about with the new pedestrian crossings and segregated cycle lane) takes priority because that's going to cause massive disruption while it's being constructed.
Maybe SW LTN can come back one day but the new A23 design will have to be taken into account
sparkybird
ask the bird...
There have been anti LTNers on my street this afternoon directing people though the old filters and shouting out 'tell all your friends '. Charming
Selfish drivers are gonna be selfish.
Hollis
bloody furious
It's a fucking great result, because it shows that direct experience matters, no matter how many selective stats and theory you chuck at people.
Hopefully some LTN advocates can be more honest about the impacts of schemes, and start acknowleging issues rather than endlessly ignoring, patronising or rubbishing the people who've experienced problems with them.
It might also result in better designed LTNs and better and more honest communication around them from councils.
You must admit there’s quite an element of the boy who cried wolf with LTNs though. If you say every LTN is disastrous when it’s clearly not the case it’s difficult to see the genuine issues and it looks like this decision has been taken with data to back it up.
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
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So going back to this post, how would you enable safe cycling (and the hierarchy of users which puts walking and cycling at the top, and private cars at the bottom) in this area, at the 400m intervals the city transport strategy is committed to, without valley road ?
Cat Fan
Cats and stats
The LTN arguably does not create a safe route on valley road. Cars and buses are still driving along it. As mentioned previously I would add a cycle lane on valley road and remove car parking spaces/widen appropriately.
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
it does in terms of traffic volumes - Lambeth, following Dutch standards. Under 2k vehicles per day/200 at peak hour to share space with motor vehicles. Over 2k should be protected space.
Bus Stopped
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Health gains of low-traffic schemes up to 100 times greater than costs, study finds
Research looked at three London boroughs to value overall health benefits of active travel over 20 years at up to £4,800 per head
sparkybird
ask the bird...
Are you kidding? The one and only time I cycled on Valley Road was when the LTN was in.
The bus is only every 20 mins and while local residents were using it, no way was it 10k vehicles
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