Agreed, although it is worth saying that public transport between South West and South East London really could be much improved.
Why would it make it impossible? People without cars do still see family members/visit less accessible places, it just takes longer. But if you haven’t got/don’t tend to use a car you just factor it in as your normal.
If there were more direct routes from place to place then it would make journeys quicker.
Is this why many car drivers don't use public transport? Coz it doesn't go from outside their door to outside the door they want to get to?
Streatham and Bromley aren't 'really' neighbouring boroughs though are they? Bromley is huge and you need to go through Croydon, Lewisham or Southwark to get there from Lambeth.
So you do what people with parents/grandparents in other towns/those without cars do, and schedule visits at different times of the week than weekday evenings. Having to do things slightly differently doesn’t mean not doing them at all.
Yes good point. We’re quibbling a bit but presumably unless you drive like a twat, using the car at a quiet time of day is not the major issue here. Nor will LTNs inconvenience you as much if you have to go slightly further in quiet traffic.
I suspect the buses you are referring to are ones that take children to specialist educational provision, and given the children will have various mobility issues between them it’s fair enough for them to be exempt from LTNs. Though again that’s not an excuse for speeding/driving like a twat if they are doing so.There is a little minibus that zooms around in the morning on weekdays, usually empty. It drives at high speed through the LTN filters. It has a Lambeth badge.
Some sort of on demand service connected to the schools maybe?
I guess when you're council owned there's no danger in getting a fine.
And tbf I said exactly that about SW and SE London. But there’s also quite a gulf of meaning between “you might need to consider doing things slightly differently” and “tough get on with it”. Certainly there are different environmental and population circumstances currently compared to the hey day of the car, and different environmental understandings. Something needs to change and a little extra inconvenience for a large group of relatively privileged people, with exceptions for those who are more marginalised (such as those with mobility difficulties) is a better outcome than many others.
I only travel with the car at off peak times to visit friends and family, I commute to work by train and I enjoy living in a street with less through traffic, so I am a "winner" from LTNs.
The one round our way drives like a lunatic.
I do too, but I also find it interesting where most people’s ire seems to fall (the LTNs/changes rather than any drivers who refuse to change).
This is at least partly to do with the constraints of the physical infrastructure. As with many cities, London has tended to develop as a series of main routes in and out of the centre.
We need an over/underground Circle line like they have North of the river.
Exactly. You would think if they're transporting children they would drive a bit more carefully!
Or Line 14 in Paris, under construction right now.
If you don't have a car you have to suck up that time difference. How about feeling sorry for those people?
OK it just touches, but most public transport options take you through other boroughs first. Anyway if you lived in Crystal Palace you could just walk over the border into Bromley.
However this is an issue for some people. Especially if you are a single parent and don't work near where you live. I am currently struggling to find staff for my team of relatively low paid workers. The people we need have been priced out of Lambeth and are finding the bus journeys too problematic. Some of them have cars and want to drive but are deterred by the cost of parking.
