Brixton Liveable Neighbourhood and LTN schemes - improvements for pedestrians and cyclists
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Hollis
bloody furious
I think the problem with rolling it out quickly is... money.
I can't quite imagine what the main roads would be like if this was implemented - grid lock I assume. Though a lot of it is external traffic - something like over 40% households don't have access to a car.
They're stating another one 1st November - Bruce Grove.. i'm just waiting for the day there's a traffic jam in my road.
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
Money and staff resource I'd have thought. But 'we can't do it all at once' seems a very bad reason to do nothing.
As for 'gridlock' - probably not. A lot of rat running traffic is going to be rejoining a major road anyway, and turning traffic causes delays (and collisions, which results in really big delays) so after some initial disruption it will almost certainly settle down.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Quiet spot for a drive-by Bloodbath in Brixton as two men are killed in drive-by shooting
sparkybird
ask the bird...
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
People on here previously pointed out that crime could be an issue with LTNs. I think there are several issues actually (as a non-driver)
1. How did the shooters access this LTN in a car - were they making a delivery or visiting friends?
2. We have heard that ambulances etc are impeded in coming to LTNs. Was this the case here? Did anyone die because the ambulance was late?
I know the thread is for true believers - but can one not raise questions?
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
You have Trump/Putinesque powers of paranoid projection. A true believer.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
1. Why does it matter and of what possible relevance is it to anything?
2. Have you not been along Railton road in the past two years? It's completely open to ambulances at both ends, just like it's completely open to the 322 bus, and most likely the ambulance could make its way along the road much faster than had it been full of traffic.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Thank you for a rational response answering one of the points.
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
And on your other point everywhere in an LTN is accessible to anyone by car. Have you really been contributing to these discussions for this long without understanding anything about what’s actually been implemented?
Amazing things LTNs. Simultaneously both privatised roads and gentrified white middle class newbie enclaves whist being magnets for crime and antisocial behaviour.
Amazing things LTNs. Simultaneously both privatised roads and gentrified white middle class newbie enclaves whist being magnets for crime and antisocial behaviour.
sparkybird
ask the bird...
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Actually it would be nice to know if the cameras can pick up people and faces. I mean then they could help solve real crime. Rather than money-making civil infractions.
I bet there aren't cameras on Railton Road near Barnwell Road though. It's right in the middle of the LTN.
Funnily enough as a Railton resident, I can tell you pre-LTN, road traffic accidents, which also happened here (moped vs car by the look of the crash scene), were common. I think I previously posted on urban about a car barrel rolling one Saturday morning landing outside my front garden wall caused by some fool who’d borrowed his mate’s car and fancied a bit of driving but lost control. Three of my neighbours have had cars written off by other drivers doing something similar. Since Railton went into an LTN, this is the first time this has happened and I think it looks pretty clear that the crash part was only a bit part to the violence that followed.
sparkybird
ask the bird...
The cameras are for Automatic Number Plate Recognition - I'm not an expert, but I guess that's all done by software and only captures the numberplate. It is against to law to ignore road traffic signs - if people don't want to pay the fines, then they could just obey the signs and not drive thought the filters. That would stop the 'money making' real quick.
There are of course plenty of monitored CCTV cameras around used to gather info in cases of other types of crimes.
It’s highly relavent, I’m pretty sure gangsters on their way to whack someone are highly likely to be driving a car registered to their home address, and therefore have to be 100% au-fait with traffic regulations.
Alex
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
New research from Imperial College London finds
Islington found Air Quality improving on boundary roads too.
Now some of this may down to ULEZ (which of course many tories and many of the anti-LTN bunch are also against), some due to buses being replaced with cleaner models but it does put another unevicendce onesie complaint in the bin. (though I've seen some tortured logic along the lines of 'it would have improved more if it hadn't been for the LTNs).
- LTNS reduce air pollution within and around intervention areas
- traffic volumes reduced both internally AND at boundary sites.
Islington found Air Quality improving on boundary roads too.
Now some of this may down to ULEZ (which of course many tories and many of the anti-LTN bunch are also against), some due to buses being replaced with cleaner models but it does put another unevicendce onesie complaint in the bin. (though I've seen some tortured logic along the lines of 'it would have improved more if it hadn't been for the LTNs).
Rushy
basically a scrotum
Is it a bit ungenerous to acknowledge that "some of this may be down to ULEZ" and busses?
I'm no statistician but the graph seems to imply that almost all of the improvement is in the period to 2020 (ULEZ and busses) and improves consistently and quickly across the borough. From 2020 onwards (when LTNs were installed) NO2 levels continued to decline in 2no. LTNs but at a much reduced rate, plateaued in 1no. and saw increased in 2no. LTNs - one by about 10% - whilst the wider borough without LTNs plateaued.
But the Tweeters seem terribly excited, so have I misread it?
I'm no statistician but the graph seems to imply that almost all of the improvement is in the period to 2020 (ULEZ and busses) and improves consistently and quickly across the borough. From 2020 onwards (when LTNs were installed) NO2 levels continued to decline in 2no. LTNs but at a much reduced rate, plateaued in 1no. and saw increased in 2no. LTNs - one by about 10% - whilst the wider borough without LTNs plateaued.
But the Tweeters seem terribly excited, so have I misread it?
Hollis
bloody furious
It's being retweeted like its the 5th gospel. I'm particularly interested in what it defines as the boundary area - i.e. within 500m - as the traffic displacement can be much broader than that.
Like any academic article it needs to be treated with a healthy degree of sceptism: unfortunately that is unlikely in the hyper-charged world of the LTN debate.
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nick
Pleomorphic Adenomas R us
yet again. Possibly the hardest working bollard in London.
It deserves a medal and a quite retirement to somewhere quiet, where it can live out the rest of its life in peace
A history of service
Another failed anti-LTN court case in Enfield. I wonder how much the lawyers made this time?
caselaw.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Sophia Bouchti v London Borough of Enfield - Find case law - The National Archives
caselaw.nationalarchives.gov.uk
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
Looks like £43k here - STOP the LTN's - Fox Lane & Enfield, organized by One CommunityAnother failed anti-LTN court case in Enfield. I wonder how much the lawyers made this time?
Sophia Bouchti v London Borough of Enfield - Find case law - The National Archives
1.5k here - Help raise £2500 to avoid Enfield LTNs being made permanent (due Autumn 2021) by engaging ALL local residents, workers & students. Please HELP US to Help YOU :)
2.6k here - Help raise £5000 to Stop Enfield LTNs - fundraise for resources to reach the full community, loudly communicating our views to Undemocratic Council Leaders.
That's c48 if my quick google brought them all up and it looks like their claimant was someone running a dog walking business who spends her days driving peoples dogs to the park and back.
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