Brixton Liveable Neighbourhood and LTN schemes - improvements for pedestrians and cyclists
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thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
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Cat Fan
Cats and stats
Sigh, not really looking for a huge keyboard war here. The most scientific way to test your hypothesis would be to remove all the calming/safety measures and see what happens.
The technology is there for more effective speed controls, we just live in a world where there are big warning signs and flags on the navigation apps.
By the way I've walked through Railton LTN a few times recently and the few motorbikes/cars/buses that there are absolutely bomb it through because it's so empty.
I'd be for a bigger ULEZ and tighter restrictions. The government (local & national) is just too concerned with appeasing car owners.
Big sigh at the people who say electric vehicles aren't the answer. What part of zero emissions is so difficult to understand?
Finally, it's handwave-y magical thinking to say that traffic will go down on boundary roads over time. That simply won't happen without measures to decrease and discourage car ownership over the whole of London.
As far as I'm concerned LTNs are just greenwashing for the council. They can say they are doing their bit for the climate. But in reality they are driving resentment and inequality, without actually discouraging car ownership or decreasing pollution in the main.
liquidindian
Hello
If you're not looking for "a big keyboard war" why are you posting things that are not true?
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Here are some road pricing threads, where people line up to explain all the problems with road pricing and how we should do something else instead, eg:
www.urban75.net
www.urban75.net
www.urban75.net
Road pricing back on the agenda
Each registered owner reports the milage every 6 months, gets sent a bill. Random checks to ensure compliance. Job done. Easy enough to install a switch to turn the odometer off.
www.urban75.net
Support road pricing ...
For any disgruntled pedestrians, cyclists, public transport users, or environmentalists out there: As the anti-road pricing petition seems to have gotten its fair share of publicity on here, it's only right that this one should too ... http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/yes2roadpricing/ Fast...
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Petition FOR road-pricing
Pete Where isthe petition against Road Pricing. I'll try and get as many people to sign it as I can?:D ;) good man whack e petitions in google, hit the first hit and get STUCK IN. having said that, the latest plan is for voluntary road pricing, which, potentially, could save me money...
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Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
EVs result in particulate emission from braking etc.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Was thinking that the families in social housing on CHL are unjustly suffering noise disturbance and POLLUTION due to snarled up traffic from KCH never-ending PFI projects
As Liza Minelli sang in "Cabaret" **** on being poor!
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
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EVs are also very far from zero CO2 emissions. Generating electricity is still extremely reliant on fossil fuels and the manufacture in the first place takes huge amounts of energy. To believe otherwise is really sticking your head in the sand.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
On electric vehicles, 75% of electricity is from fossil fuels, plus you have to make and dispose of those toxic batteries.
BusLanes
Pedestrian
Ha that's a fun pivot
liquidindian
Hello
It's a reference to Boris Lowtrafficneighbourhood, the inventor of the modal filter.
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
This is bad news - Changes to the Congestion Charge to support long term traffic reduction and a sustainable recovery
Without doubt will generate more trips on Lambeth's roads. Seems to be a truly deafening silence from the supposed 'clean air for all' groups opposing LTNs on this...
Without doubt will generate more trips on Lambeth's roads. Seems to be a truly deafening silence from the supposed 'clean air for all' groups opposing LTNs on this...
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
Boris ‘burbs.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Some strange statements in there
I don't see how removing the evening charge will encourage people to walk, cycle and use PT
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hiraethified
New LTN for Brixton New Low Traffic Neighbourhood (LTN) proposed for Brixton Hill
New Park Road needs to be closed of to through traffic. The weird chicanes put in a few years ago really don’t work & have just made it worse.
And the lynham/thornbury/dunbarton cut throughs, traffic on all three goes really fast.
felonius monk
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The reduction in the evening charge wont benefit the culture or nighttime industries, where it still doesn't make much sense to drive, park etc. More likely to benefit those who drive in and out of Zone as part of work pattern, knowing that it lifts at 6pm. Completely counter-intuitive.
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
I can’t work out the narrow subsection of the population who are wealthy enough to own a car, spend a night out in central London, and pay for parking but not quite wealthy enough just to get a taxi (or for whom the congestion charge would be the straw that breaks the camels back on the total cost of a night out).
Makes no sense.
sparkybird
ask the bird...
Do you think it could be worries about covid? Seeing a few posts on my local FB group about 'where to park' in central London for a trip out with the kids/family?
And Khan under pressure from business to make sure their clients can get to them any which way?
And Khan under pressure from business to make sure their clients can get to them any which way?
I do think they haven’t communicated this very well. The increase to £15 & charging for evenings and weekends were bought in temporarily and so really they’re keeping the increase & weekend charging rather than dropping evenings.
I suspect they prefer to present it this way to make it seem better - anyway the congestion charge is much stronger than it was a few years ago.
I suspect they prefer to present it this way to make it seem better - anyway the congestion charge is much stronger than it was a few years ago.
editor
hiraethified
On a related note
www.theguardian.com
Pity the poor, oppressed driver forced to share their roads with the rest of us | Catherine Bennett
We’re still in thrall to the car – to judge by the lenient sentences for reckless motorists
Everything comes back to the evil LTNs for good old Tim.
Can’t see how his weird campaign is going to help him with the voters of Clapham Common - particularly as he seems to be in favour of stopping rat running there
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nextdoor.co.uk
Can’t see how his weird campaign is going to help him with the voters of Clapham Common - particularly as he seems to be in favour of stopping rat running there
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Hi everyone
I am going to try to put pressure on council officers to respond to the group, just as I did with the plans to close Rodenhurst Road. P...
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sparkybird
ask the bird...
Everything comes back to the evil LTNs for good old Tim.
Can’t see how his weird campaign is going to help him with the voters of Clapham Common - particularly as he seems to be in favour of stopping rat running there
Hi everyone
I am going to try to put pressure on council officers to respond to the group, just as I did with the plans to close Rodenhurst Road. P...
Eh? He's always posting on the one Lambeth Twitter against LTNs but now is supporting the implementation of one? I'm very confused
Confused that a Tory is a hypocrite ?
teuchter
je suis teuchter
He has been for some time, mentioned further back in the thread at various points. For his own ward, in the posh-ish bit of clapham near Abbeville Rd etc.
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