Brixton Liveable Neighbourhood and LTN schemes - improvements for pedestrians and cyclists

[teuchter]

I think when someone gives an example its an example. Given their comments, the comments of local tradespeople, Pimlico plumbers donating to Sonia's court action I think they have their finger on the pulse and they are all wondering if this project it worth it and when is it supposed to get better?

Of course they don't like the fact that it makes some of their journeys slower. Why would they? These measures are not introduced for the benefit of tradespeople, they are introduced for the general benefit of everyone who is affected by pollution, road safety and so on.

Given that they are motivated not to like the measures, it wouldn't be surprising to see a certain amount of exaggeration going on when they are trying to persuade people that the measures should be removed.

 

[edcraw]

tbf on a friday at 3pm.. but then you can set google to a day/time and see what traffic is like on average then:

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It’s just weird this hyperbole antis come out with about constant traffic when we can all see this is bullshit all because your 10min trip is taking a couple of minutes more.

 

[edcraw]

Touché

 

[BigTom]

It’s just weird this hyperbole antis come out with about constant traffic when we can all see this is bullshit all because your 10min trip is taking a couple of minutes more.

I mean they probably did have a day where that journey took that long (they have some very specific times so may have GPS location recording on their vehicles and know exactly how long the journey took).

But it's not because of the LTNs, or that would be the norm. There was most likely a day where a combination of roadworks and collisions created a local gridlock, which the LTN may have added to by reducing the number of routes in the network that cars/vans can re-route around, or may not have if those routes would not have mattered or would have become gridlocked themselves.

Regardless it's most important to look at averages to see what the effect of the LTN is.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

The point that is seemingly constantly overlooked by the anti brigade is that if a city requires residential streets to be available as rat runs in order to keep moving, then that is a spectacular failure of design and needs fixing. If an LTN makes things worse then the problem is not the LTN it is something far bigger.

 

[edcraw]

The point that is seemingly constantly overlooked by the anti brigade is that if a city requires residential streets to be available as rat runs in order to keep moving, then that is a spectacular failure of design and needs fixing. If an LTN makes things worse then the problem is not the LTN it is something far bigger.

Yep, streets that allow through traffic really shouldn't have parking so cars can pass each other. There's a reason we've made some roads A & B roads.

 

[sleaterkinney]

The topic i took this from was all about how tradespeople are attending less jobs because of the LTNs. Two let their helpers / apprentices go because of the reduction in jobs. Note he says ~IF~ he has jobs. If it's LTN or nothing they will do it.

He changed his habits in response to keeping his living going. Not all have. Not all can. See the gent who owns Atlantic bakery - how can he adapt?

See second picture for example of how these 'small five minute detours' are actually not five minutes.

Why didn't he just carry on through Dulwich village and turn onto Half moon Lane?

Tradespeople have loads of work on, they don't need any help.

 

[sleaterkinney]

I think when someone gives an example its an example. Given their comments, the comments of local tradespeople, Pimlico plumbers donating to Sonia's court action I think they have their finger on the pulse and they are all wondering if this project it worth it and when is it supposed to get better?

Better for who?. Drivers?.

 

[chowce5382]

You can’t really accuse someone else of ableism when you use the phrase “suffered” in your next sentence...

Can you explain this one. Still trying to understand what point you were trying to make

 

[liquidindian]

Inclusive language: words to use and avoid when writing about disability

www.gov.uk

 

[edcraw]

Weird that they “treasurer” of One Lambeth never seems to want to talk about the actual pros & cons of LTNs.

 

[edcraw]

Also, I would like to know what happens if they don’t meet the fundraising target. Will the lawyers still get paid?

 

[liquidindian]

Also, I would like to know what happens if they don’t meet the fundraising target. Will the lawyers still get paid?

I think there will be enough three-figure donations from anonymous sources to get them over the line. All just simply concerned individuals, of course.

 

[lblres]

Also, I would like to know what happens if they don’t meet the fundraising target. Will the lawyers still get paid?

had a look at the post on fb, seems their overwhelming support was only 00.2% of the group

 

[edcraw]

Love how chowce5382’s mates lobby local politicians. Send random abuse to a potential new councillor for an area that doesn’t yet have an LTN who doesn’t seem to have ever expressed an opinion on them!

 

[chowce5382]

Inclusive language: words to use and avoid when writing about disability

www.gov.uk

Still waiting…

 

[chowce5382]

Love how chowce5382’s mates lobby local politicians. Send random abuse to a potential new councillor for an area that doesn’t yet have an LTN who doesn’t seem to have ever expressed an opinion on them!

Of course you can back all this up…

 

[edcraw]

Of course you can back all this up…

Which bit are you disputing?

 

[liquidindian]

Still waiting…

Weirdly I've got an answer for a question I didn't even ask.

 

[BigTom]

Still waiting…

Did you try reading the linked page?

If you can't understand what has been linked perhaps you should not be so quick to accuse people of ableism.

 

[chowce5382]

Which bit are you disputing?

Did you try reading the linked page?

If you can't understand what has been linked perhaps you should not be so quick to accuse people of ableism.

Did you read the post I was responding to when I mentioned ableism? Some pretty nasty stuff by one poster completely disregarding the stress and pain that someone has been put through. Strange that no one on here has mentioned that but has jumped on this. Says it all really

 

[chowce5382]

Which bit are you disputing?

My mates - like I’m either involved, have knowledge of or have/am encouraging it.

 

[edcraw]

My mates - like I’m either involved, have knowledge of or have/am encouraging it.

Ah, okay, it was a joke.

One Lambeth distance themselves from One Tower Hamlets over abusive tweet sent to prospective councillor then

 

[BigTom]

Did you read the post I was responding to when I mentioned ableism? Some pretty nasty stuff by one poster completely disregarding the stress and pain that someone has been put through. Strange that no one on here has mentioned that but has jumped on this. Says it all really

This is the context to that post. You wanted to know why using the word "suffered" was you using ableist language, and the link in the post afterwards to show you.

 

[Jeanette Moo]

had a look at the post on fb, seems their overwhelming support was only 00.2% of the group

ppl contribute in different ways. There were people leafletting regarding the consultation, people putting up sign posts outside peoples houses.

 

[Jeanette Moo]

Love how chowce5382’s mates lobby local politicians. Send random abuse to a potential new councillor for an area that doesn’t yet have an LTN who doesn’t seem to have ever expressed an opinion on them!

I also hear that chowce5382s middle name is keyser soze.

His location around the death of jfk was apparently a grassy area.

He also could not account for his wherabouts when tupac was shot.

 

[edcraw]

I also hear that chowce5382s middle name is keyser soze.

His location around the death of jfk was apparently a grassy area.

He also could not account for his wherabouts when tupac was shot.

What do you think of the political lobbying skills of the One groups Jeanette?

 

[Jeanette Moo]

What do you think of the political lobbying skills of the One groups Jeanette?

I'm not going to be your distraction. Find another pen pal

 

[liquidindian]

ppl contribute in different ways. There were people leafletting regarding the consultation, people putting up sign posts outside peoples houses.

...pouring oil in planters, vandalising signs and cameras, every little helps.

 

[Jeanette Moo]

...pouring oil in planters, vandalising signs and cameras, every little helps.

...and people have been on the receiving end of abuse (including racial abuse towards their children), had their personal details published on twitter, things drawn on their front doors, employers contacted just to get people with opinions silcened, negative reviews left for businesses just because they don't support he LTNS.

Those against the LTNs don't bring this up in every conversation as we understand the act of a few individuals does not make everyone with a different viewpoint part of that act.

Others though just luv to bring it up over and over like it defines a whole group