Yeah 2500 people in the Facebook group but only 89 people have donated, ouch
Brixton Liveable Neighbourhood and LTN schemes - improvements for pedestrians and cyclists
- Thread starter teuchter
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liquidindian
Hello
So my blue badge will allow me through one LTN only i.e one road?
That’s how I’m reading it.
Wow, how lucky for blue badge holders that Lambeth is throwing them a crumb of access.
That's actually fucking disgusting and openly passive aggressive.
chowce5382
Active Member
Always worthwhile taking into account that BB are only 45% of the group who are vulnerable in that specific group . This is a start but only relates to the LTN closest to them. The council have all the data on this point. Why are they not looking at the bigger picture for disabled people? I don’t get why this is such a ‘blind spot’ dor
And before you do your usual and ask another question, can you answer the above. You are able bodied, why is the council not allowing this group to travel around freely given the position they are in?
Cue no answers and more questions…
I’m not the council so can’t answer for them.
Have I answered your questions?
My opinion is this is a compromise - this will help people with disabilities that use private cars and taxis to move to and from their addresses more easily.
It’s also important to remember that LTNs are also beneficial to non car using people with disabilities.
EDIT: I admit I’m coming from a position of ignorance on the subject here and want to learn and have looked for info on this, but OneLambeth and most campaigners against LTNs aren’t providing that info as this is not their real concern.
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teuchter
je suis teuchter
I don't understand this sentence.
Anyway - can I ask a question chowce5382?
How do you see this impacting your court case and have you asked your lawyers what the implications may be?
How do you see this impacting your court case and have you asked your lawyers what the implications may be?
I think this comes from here - though unsure why the other 54% don’t have blue badges. It could be because they don’t use cars.
chowce5382
Active Member
Yup. This has been an ongoing issue
chowce5382
Active Member
Why are you looking to a group of residents for an answer. It’s the role of the council to supply the information you’re after. Have you asked them? If not, why not? It’s the job of the executive to supply answers, not the the role of populace. Please ask them and them and relay the answers to us.
Sorry but I don’t understand this. Who am I meant to ask and what’s the question?
What does this mean? Is my answer above wrong?
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chowce5382
Active Member
Yup, I’ve spoken to our lawyers about this.
If you look at the changes it doesn’t help much. For example, a disabled person on my road would save 30seconds in terms of getting out of the LTN and onto the main road. They would still have to deal with all the same issues once there so it doesn’t really help. Having spoken to charities around here, they haven’t heard anything from or spoken to the council so I’m not sure how they have made this decision.
So the LTN only adds 30s? Most antis usually claim 20mins!
What are these issues?
Also, what did your lawyers say?
BigTom
Well-Known Member
They haven't made a decision, they are putting this out for consultation.
chowce5382
Active Member
Getting out onto brixton hill is the easy but. It’s getting from brixton hill to Tulse hill which is harder for a disabled person as they aren’t able to drive through their own neighbourhood and still won’t be able to. As a result they have to do 3 sides of a square and that’s what takes the time, not the final part of getting from the road block to the house.
Can’t tell you.
chowce5382
Active Member
Decision was made a long time ago.
BigTom
Well-Known Member
Then why are they putting it out for consultation? Aren't you happy it's being put out for consultation?
Giving access to LTNs for those with access to cars does not negate the benefits to disabled people without cars.
This is some race to the bottom ableist bullshit. I wouldn't be surprised if this is their punishment for Sophia's case.
They don't need to consult. They just need to give access to blue badge holders and their carers because it's the right thing to do.
It’s a huge fuck up Lambeth didn’t do this originally - or at least say they’d do it
chowce5382
Active Member
In fact we were told that it “was not possible”.
Clearly bullshit then, clearly bullshit now.
BigTom
Well-Known Member
What access should be given?
Should blue badge holders have access through all LTN filters using ANPR filters around the UK?
Should all LTN filters be made ANPR, including pre existing ones?
Should carers get to access LTNs filters for roads/areas that don't have anyone they care for living in them?
Should blue badge holders get to use LTN roads they don't live in as through roads because they are blue badge holders?
I'm pretty sure that even though you will find broad agreement that blue badge holders and their carers should be given access through LTN filters to roads they live on, there will be a lot of disagreement about the questions above.
chowce5382
Active Member
It’s easy. All LTNs across all boroughs. Carers should also be exempt.
Its the right thing to do.
People with blue badges should have access to all filters. I have to access more than one from where I live and multiple others to get to hospital and therapy appointments. In fact I have to drive all over wider south London to access what our blue badge holder needs. It's not just about where you live, unfortunately services are not dispersed like that in London.
Carers going to work to support sick and disabled people should have access. We already have a carer crisis in this country, difficulty in how their transport and times are organised is a long recorded problem. Of course if the government wants to start ensuring they are all paid properly for their time and effort, that might solve the problem. But I don't see that happening.
Rubbish
What about historic low traffic systems - Should they get a key for those ?
What about the north side of Trafalgar Square - should that be reopened for blue badge holders - what about Covent Garden ?
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