Brixton Liveable Neighbourhood and LTN schemes - improvements for pedestrians and cyclists

[sleaterkinney]

Thanks and no I didn't ask for references from Lancet to support the case for LTNs

I only pointed out that the link was referencing a book review rather than an original article/research paper. I can understand how it would be attractive to use a reference from New Scientist rather than relying on WhatsApp if you're anti LTN. Using Lancet would be even better from an impact factor point of view.

I’m not sure antis would be swayed by Lancet or New scientist.…

 

[edcraw]

Shock as councillors live in local areas!

 

[teuchter]

That means there are 47 Lambeth councillors who have imposed dictatorship divided-community tyranny on LTN residents because they don't have to live in one themselves, presumably.

 

[edcraw]

Someone shares a petition to bring hire bikes to Herne Hill and it brings out the nutters. It does seem best to just ignore these prats tbh:

 

[Collateral Dama]

Shock as councillors live in local areas!

Hmm. How many cabinet members? They’re the only ones who matter.

 

[edcraw]

Hmm. How many cabinet members? They’re the only ones who matter.

Yeah - all a big conspiracy…

 

[Collateral Dama]

So, how many?

 

[CH1]

Should there come a day when all cars are electric, will LTNs be scrapped?

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Should there come a day when all cars are electric, will LTNs be scrapped?

No, because pollution is only one part of why LTN’s are needed.

 

[edcraw]

So, how many?

Have you not got the figures of cabinet members that want to increase crime in their areas? Isn’t that what LTNs do?

 

[Collateral Dama]

A straight question, and a straight answer would have been welcome. Why all the squirming?

 

[edcraw]

A straight question, and a straight answer would have been welcome. Why all the squirming?

I can’t be arsed to work it out as it seems pointless - you’re welcome to and let us all know.

 

[Collateral Dama]

I can’t be arsed to work it out as it seems pointless - you’re welcome to and let us all know.

Kind of lazy, for anyone who wants to know how political power operates in their community, if you ask me … which you won’t, because I don’t echo you. It seems like a fair question: how many Lambeth Council cabinet members are benefiting from the LTNs?

 

[teuchter]

Kind of lazy, for anyone who wants to know how political power operates in their community, if you ask me … which you won’t, because I don’t echo you. It seems like a fair question: how many Lambeth Council cabinet members are benefiting from the LTNs?

Everyone benefits from the LTNs.

 

[Collateral Dama]

Everyone benefits from the LTNs.

The people on my road don’t. The LTN has ruined it.

 

[edcraw]

Kind of lazy, for anyone who wants to know how political power operates in their community, if you ask me … which you won’t, because I don’t echo you. It seems like a fair question: how many Lambeth Council cabinet members are benefiting from the LTNs?

Man, you’re the one trying to make the accusations, very lazy of you to not back it up, why should I do your research?

I was making the point that people claim that LTNs increase crime in those areas whilst also increasing house prices - pretty deranged.

 

[Collateral Dama]

Man, you’re the one trying to make the accusations, very lazy of you to not back it up, why should I do your research?

I was making the point that people claim that LTNs increase crime in those areas whilst also increasing house prices - pretty deranged.

Deranged, yes. I don’t think I said anything about crime or house prices. The question was about Lambeth cabinet members living in LTNs. Shouldn’t that information be publicly available, as in a declaration of interest when speaking in a debate?

 

[edcraw]

Deranged, yes. I don’t think I said anything about crime or house prices. The question was about Lambeth cabinet members living in LTNs. Shouldn’t that information be publicly available, as in a declaration of interest when speaking in a debate?

Do an FOI then or something- the figures above show that councillors are generally as likely to live in an LTN as not but you are just trying to shit stir by talking about cabinet members.

How many members of OneLambeth are paid by the oil industry? I think we really should be told!?

 

[Collateral Dama]

I think it’s rather less likely that a member of OneLambeth is getting a cheque from Shell or BP than that a cabinet member is getting some benefit from a recently created LTN. Don’t you?

 

[sleaterkinney]

I think it’s rather less likely that a member of OneLambeth is getting a cheque from Shell or BP than that a cabinet member is getting some benefit from a recently created LTN. Don’t you?

How about all the historical LTNs, should cabinet members live in those?

 

[Winot]

I think it’s rather less likely than that a member of OneLambeth is getting a cheque from Shell or BP than that a cabinet member is getting some benefit from a recently created LTN. Don’t you?

Do you think Lambeth councillors are favouring LTNs because of their personal circumstances?

And do you think LTNs are, on balance, a bad idea?

If so, how do you propose to address the issues of congestion, pollution, and public health.

 

[edcraw]

I think it’s rather less likely that a member of OneLambeth is getting a cheque from Shell or BP than that a cabinet member is getting some benefit from a recently created LTN. Don’t you?

I think you’re tying to make baseless insinuations as you don’t want to see any restrictions on cars but hey ho. At least you agree that LTNs are a benefit - it’d be weird if councillors weren’t pushing for them then surely.

 

[Collateral Dama]

Do you think Lambeth councillors are favouring LTNs because of their personal circumstances?

And do you think LTNs are, on balance, a bad idea?

If so, how do you propose to address the issues of congestion, pollution, and public health.

I think it’s very possible that they’re favouring the LTNs because of their personal circumstances, and that that’s a question deserving of investigation. Don’t you? On balance, low traffic is good, as long as you’re not shifting the traffic somewhere else, which is what is happening with this scheme.

 

[Collateral Dama]

I think you’re tying to make baseless insinuations as you don’t want to see any restrictions on cars but hey ho. At least you agree that LTNs are a benefit - it’d be weird if councillors weren’t pushing for them then surely.

I wouldn’t care if cars were banned entirely in London. The LTN in my area is ruining my quality of life. May I ask if the people making the decisions on the LTNs are gaining from them? Hey ho.

 

[Winot]

On balance, low traffic is good, as long as you’re not shifting the traffic somewhere else, which is what is happening with this scheme.

Suggest you read the thread.

 

[Collateral Dama]

Isn’t this supposed to be a sort of anti-establishment chat room? Why are you arguing against some transparency in this local government decision-making process?

 

[Collateral Dama]

Suggest you read the thread.

Will I find an answer to my question to you above? “I think it’s very possible that they’re favouring the LTNs because of their personal circumstances, and that that’s a question deserving of investigation. Don’t you?”

 

[Winot]

Will I find an answer to my question to you above? “I think it’s very possible that they’re favouring the LTNs because of their personal circumstances, and that that’s a question deserving of investigation. Don’t you?”

I don’t know whether they are and no, I don’t think that’s worthy of investigation. All I care about is whether objectively LTNs are a good idea or not.

 

[sparkybird]

Should there come a day when all cars are electric, will LTNs be scrapped?

No because tailpipe emmisions are only part of the problem. Particulate pollution from road, brake and tyre wear is also pretty nasty.

 

[teuchter]

Collateral Dama do I remember correctly that you yourself live within an LTN?