Brixton Liveable Neighbourhood and LTN schemes - improvements for pedestrians and cyclists

[Torpid Scorpion]

Thanks for making up some rules.

I take back what I said about you before about you probably being well intentioned. You are a sad troll. And judging by your incessant trolling and selective lack Of accountability, like as not the actual source of those tweets.as had been previously speculated on here.

[edited to remove the obscenity cause it ain’t worth it]

 

[alex_]

Thanks for making up some rules.

are you ok with the above post which equates LTNs with the Holocaust ?

bearing in mind you raise funds for onelambeth and the posts above are from onelambeth - can you outline how you avoid any responsibility for what your org says ?

 

[chowce5382]

I take back what I said about you before about you probably being well intentioned. You are a wanker. And judging by your incessant trolling and selective lack Of accountability, like as not the actual source of those tweets.as had been previously speculated on here.

As you rightly say, speculation. All I can see if people speculating about my intentions and about an account I have no control over rather than looking at what is actually being done. That of trying to protect the rights of an individual and a protected group in general. People always seem keen to speculate rather than look at the actual issues.

 

[chowce5382]

are you ok with the above post which equates LTNs with the Holocaust ?

bearing in mind you raise funds for onelambeth and the posts above are from onelambeth - can you outline how you avoid any responsibility for what your org says ?

It’s not a defined organisation. Is a group of peope trying to raise some money for a disabled woman. I also don’t think that LTNs are in any way analogous to the Holocaust

 

[editor]

It’s not a defined organisation. Is a group of peope trying to raise some money for a disabled woman. I also don’t think that LTNs are in any way analogous to the Holocaust

So you're going to condemn it and disown the author and refuse any funds they contribute?

 

[chowce5382]

So you're going to condemn it and disown the author and refuse any funds they contribute?

I dont have the ability to reject funds. I’ve said it’s not analogous in any way.

 

[teuchter]

So that we increase pollution on those roads?

We disagree on the extent to which pollution is displaced. Quite happy to have that discussion with you, and you'd be able to present the case that it is being ignored or underestimated. But if you just want to continue to imply that there's actually a deliberate intention to move pollution to specific locations, then I don't see any point trying to engage.

 

[chowce5382]

We disagree on the extent to which pollution is displaced. Quite happy to have that discussion with you, and you'd be able to present the case that it is being ignored or underestimated. But if you just want to continue to imply that there's actually a deliberate intention to move pollution to specific locations, then I don't see any point trying to engage.

Surely it must be deliberate given that the intention is to move traffic to specific roads and therefore pollution and that the council is very clear exactly which roads will take this extra traffic/pollution

 

[editor]

I dont have the ability to reject funds. I’ve said it’s not analogous in any way.

So who is accepting the funds? Someone must be responsible. Would you agree that it would be morally wrong to accept funding from such an offensive organisation, and if so, what steps have you made to block their further involvement?

 

[chowce5382]

So who is accepting the funds? Someone must be responsible. Would you agree that it would be morally wrong to accept funding from such an offensive organisation, and if so, what steps have you made to block their further involvement?

It’s not an organisation, it’s one person. I’m not in charge of accepting funds and don’t actually know how that works. I look at the legal bills and then pay them as they fall due

 

[edcraw]

It’s not an organisation, it’s one person. I’m not in charge of accepting funds and don’t actually know how that works. I look at the legal bills and then pay them as they fall due

We’ll drop the OneLambeth tag then and just raise donations for the individual - although she has backed the Holocaust comparison so….

 

[chowce5382]

We’ll drop the OneLambeth tag then and just raise donations for the individual - although she has backed the Holocaust comparison so….

I don’t know if he has donated. I don’t think he has

 

[edcraw]

I don’t know if he has donated. I don’t think he has

Not sure whether the person tweeting has donated or not matters m, their tweeting on your behalf, if you cared you’d drop all associations if you can’t stop them representing you.

 

[Jeanette Moo]

Not sure whether the person tweeting has donated or not matters m, their tweeting on your behalf, if you cared you’d drop all associations if you can’t stop them representing you.

...but how?! Its a twitter handle which he already said he doesnt have any dealings with isnt it? Take out a full page letter in the papers every time someone says something offenesive?

 

[Jeanette Moo]

I take back what I said about you before about you probably being well intentioned. You are a sad troll. And judging by your incessant trolling and selective lack Of accountability, like as not the actual source of those tweets.as had been previously speculated on here.

[edited to remove the obscenity cause it ain’t worth it]

I've found him to be very open and interesting. People have constantly nit picked at him for things he is responsbile for and constantly attacked him for things that have nothing to do with him.

Hey everyone, here is someone who admitted they have something to do with the campaign, lets make him answer for everything.

 

[alex_]

Hey everyone, here is someone who admitted they have something to do with the campaign, lets make him answer for everything.

Seeing as what you’ve done with everyone even remotely associated with racist cycling guy - yes lets.

 

[editor]

...but how?! Its a twitter handle which he already said he doesnt have any dealings with isnt it? Take out a full page letter in the papers every time someone says something offenesive?

Let's put it another way. If I was running a campaign and someone was posting up offensive shit like this and associating themselves with this cause I would immediately make it very VERY clear that I don't agree with his comments and I don't want him to have anything to do with the campaign, ever, in any capacity.

No full page letter needed, just a clear and unequivocal response to any crap he posts.

Has OneLambeth done any of these things? And if not, why not?

 

[liquidindian]

I would like to make clear I am nothing to do with the poster with the username "liquidindian", and I just spend his money.

 

[sparkybird]

Let's put it another way. If I was running a campaign and someone was posting up offensive shit like this and associating themselves with this cause I would immediately make it very VERY clear that I don't agree with his comments and I don't want him to have anything to do with the campaign, ever, in any capacity.

No full page letter needed, just a clear and unequivocal response to any crap he posts.

Has OneLambeth done any of these things? And if not, why not?

maybe those comments appeal to potential donors?

 

[alex_]

I would like to make clear I am nothing to do with the poster with the username "liquidindian", and I just spend his money.

and fundraise for the various individuals who operate as liquidindian, here-forth known as “the liquidindians”

 

[edcraw]

maybe those comments appeal to potential donors?

Only 76 donated so far so could be putting people off though.

 

[teuchter]

Can't say I'm too bothered whether the one Lambeth justice fundraising operation wants to dissociate itself with the one Lambeth justice Twitter account. I'd be bothered if something that i supported was associating itself with the comments but it doesn't even look like the fundraising efforts are going to lead to anything happening. Don't see much point in haranguing chowce5382 further about it.

 

[thebackrow]

Not sure whether the person tweeting has donated or not matters m, their tweeting on your behalf, if you cared you’d drop all associations if you can’t stop them representing you.

Especially given they claim to be the “official account” of the campaign and seems very plugged in to everything. Seems inconceivable he doesn’t know exactly who’s posting on that account. It’s not like OneLambeth have many active residents at all.

 

[sleaterkinney]

So why are we routing more cars through certain roads and increasing this problem?

LTNs provide a safer environment so people will be more comfortable with other forms of transport like walking and cycling. They are not 100% of the solution, only part of it.

A third of car journeys in London are less than 2k.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Surely it must be deliberate given that the intention is to move traffic to specific roads and therefore pollution and that the council is very clear exactly which roads will take this extra traffic/pollution

The council has clearly said there will be extra traffic and pollution?. Where?

 

[chowce5382]

LTN consultations | LTN consultations | Ealing Council

Results of the recent consultations

www.ealing.gov.uk

 

[liquidindian]

So the one that they took out, LTN21 was popular... I wonder how views might shift when the rest are removed.

 

[chowce5382]

So the one that they took out, LTN21 was popular... I wonder how views might shift when the rest are removed.

22% in favour, 77% against?

 

[edcraw]

LTN consultations | LTN consultations | Ealing Council

Results of the recent consultations

www.ealing.gov.uk

There’s a helpful forum rule here:

 

[liquidindian]

22% in favour, 77% against?