Brixton Liveable Neighbourhood and LTN schemes - improvements for pedestrians and cyclists
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teuchter
je suis teuchter
It's just that a while ago you were saying you supported LTNs in principle but were not happy with the way they have been introduced.
But now you are questioning basic aspects of them, suggesting that they worsen pollution or cause unacceptable delays to drivers. If these things had always been concerns I don't see that you would have said you supported them in principle.
It seems that you are now uncertain about whether they can work at all. So I am wondering whether something has changed your mind. Or maybe I misunderstood your previous position.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I was querying what Khan said about those who use Road for work in his Independent article.
Nothing more or less.
snowy_again
Slush
The complication that Open The Roads Anti LTN campaigners* have in endorsing Rosamund Kissi-Debra is that the coroners’ recommendation yesterday was to recommend that we impose severe emissions and particulate controls.
So that may be removing ltns but also means significantly reducing private car use, revolutionising last mile delivery, electrifying buses, scrapping silver town, lowering max speeds, further encouraging active travel at a level beyond the current plans etc.
Particulate emissions apparently didn’t go down during lockdown. Fewer drivers so they drove faster so they stayed constant.
*one Lambeth and their other variations, Jody Graber, Kurten etc.
So that may be removing ltns but also means significantly reducing private car use, revolutionising last mile delivery, electrifying buses, scrapping silver town, lowering max speeds, further encouraging active travel at a level beyond the current plans etc.
Particulate emissions apparently didn’t go down during lockdown. Fewer drivers so they drove faster so they stayed constant.
*one Lambeth and their other variations, Jody Graber, Kurten etc.
Torpid Scorpion
Basket case
agree
And this is why we have 10+ years of tory tyrrany. Because we on the left are never pure enough. Might as well write in a vote for jeremy clarkson.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
That is an extreme response indeed.
But having a Mayoral system of local government is a way of imposing US style top-down anti-radicalism - which is what Blair wanted when he introduced it.
If you recall it can be defeated - Ken Livingstone did it in 2000 just that because he had massive recognition and the official Labour candidate first time round, Frank Dobson, was unable to project anything - to the point there were press allegations he was suffering depression.
The mayoral vote this time is irrelevant - Khan will win.
It might be worth studying smaller parties regards the list members on the GLA.
A lot of GLA members at the moment seem to have aggression issues. A beefy bouncer might sort them out.
BusLanes
Pedestrian
I think if both the greens and lib dems end 3 or so AMs that would help a fair bit - as they often seem more willing to hold the mayor to account on the smaller issues. The Tories sometimes do but they're often as interested in national politics and of course the Labour AMs, even when good, will have to be loyal to some degree.
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Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I usually vote Labour.
Labour party take peoples vote for granted in London. It leads to the kind of Council that Lambeth has. On libraries, estate regeneration and now LTNs Council pushes ahead with what it whats to do. Knowing that when faced with choice of Tories or Labour people will still vote Labour even if they don't like things the Council has done.
That strategy works up to a point. In the Red Wall it didn't in the end. The assumption in the Labour party is that people have no where else to go.
On that I may , like other people , still in end vote for a Labour mayor.
That does not mean I'm giving him a mandate for LTNs. It means I think the only other candidate likely to have a chance of winning us a Tory one. I don't want Tories in charge.
Torpid Scorpion
Basket case
i once lived in Barnet. Have a look at that train wreck. No sane person wants tories in charge. There are barely any libraries left in Barnet. I agree with you about the entitlement of the lambeth lot but i just see us (yes im labour and was all in with corbyn) constantly killing ourselves with purity purges while the tories clean up with corrupt incompetents with great message discipline. Its depressing. And the whole LTN debate seems like a well engineered trap to split the left, no matter how well intentioned some of the antis are. ‘Strategic communications’ at its finest. Khan will be getting my vote.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Opponents of LTNs claim they delay emergency services – but look at the facts | Road transport | The Guardian
One thing is clear: there is virtually no evidence that low-traffic neighbourhood schemes hold up emergency vehicles
snowy_again
Slush
One Lambeth now retweeting that all cyclists should wear a helmet, carry a registration plate and hold insurance.
snowy_again
Slush
And also strangely endorsing Jody Graber for his election campaign in Islington - he spoke at their town hall meeting and is the bloke who ‘took’ the anti LTN fundraising money to fund his campaign and who’s also been arrested recently for ABH and then intimidating a witness related to the ABH.
Keeping lovely company.
Keeping lovely company.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
The purists are the right of the Labour Party.
Before last election I told one of my local Cllrs that I would be voting Labour and hoped Corbyn would do well.
He was to put it mildly not overjoyed at this.
His exact words to me were "I know you like Corbyn he will have to go if he doesn't win election"
The Blairites (they now call themselves Progressives) don't want to work with anyone else. They disliked the increase in membership under Corbyn and weren't happy members choose Bell Ribeiro Addy as candidate for Streatham.
I think they wanted Corbyn to do badly.
Its not "us" who is the problem.
Khan who got chosen instead of Tessa Jowell has turned out to be of the same mould.
I'm fed up of this shit.
The New Labour Council decided to work with this Tory government to put in place LTNs without the promised consultation. It was not a trap. It was just typical of how this Council does things.
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snowy_again
Slush
Tory / Right Wing politicians getting 45 minutes of time. In Lambeth.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
The absolute fucking state of this.
“A lot of these vehicles... would have been able to cut through some of these backstreets to miss out the traffic jam”
Yes, that’s the entire point of having them you fucking muppet
snowy_again
Slush
No one can get Shaun’s name right either.
I wonder whether anyone will ask him why he recommended reduced funding to youth centres when he was one of Cameron’s advisors.
I wonder whether anyone will ask him why he recommended reduced funding to youth centres when he was one of Cameron’s advisors.
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