Brixton Liveable Neighbourhood and LTN schemes - improvements for pedestrians and cyclists
- Thread starter teuchter
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Shush, that doesn’t follow the narrative
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
Emergency services can go through the gates.
KillahEmzMeanz
Eahmed
I personally do not understand how Lambeth can collect data during a pandemic where traffic is low across the world pretty much. Where the population is at home. How can we determine the true levels of traffic? Ofcourse pollution is low! Of course traffic is low - hardly anyone is on the road. Nothing is open for anyone to go any where.
sparkybird
ask the bird...
Traffic might be less in some more central parts of London ( and Lambeth) but it's not the case further out. If you think about it, more people have cars in the suburbs and use them as an alternative to public transport, which they would have used pre covid. Working from home means people aren't in offices in the centre all day, so they can jump in their cars at lunchtime to go to the park, shops etc. Car use has definitely increased during the pandemic in my area. This is what TfL and Lambeth are trying to address by making streets more attractive for alternative forms of transport for short trips (walking and cycling) for those who are able
BigTom
Well-Known Member
You can compare areas which have had an LTN put in place against similar areas which have not and see how traffic changes differ between them.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
TfL stats for end Sep 2020:
"Traffic on the roads, which initially fell by half during lockdown, recovered much more rapidly towards near normal – 92% of pre-Covid rates in outer London at the end of September, 90% in inner London and 78% in the central area – underlining the risk of a “car led” recovery and raising “concerns about the ability of London’s limited road capacity to cope as activity returns,” the report warns."
Summary article here with link to TfL report:
Latest Travel in London report details extent of Covid's impact on capital's transport - OnLondon
Congestion charging is doing its job in curbing traffic levels in Central London, even as road traffic in the capital recovers significantly faster than public transport usage, according to Transport for London’ latest Travel in London report, published today. The authoritative annual compendium...
www.onlondon.co.uk
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Some more on that judgement here
Blow for active travel in London as High Court judge rules Sadiq Khan’s Streetspace initiative unlawful
Looks like the judgement doesn't include a requirement for things to be removed immediately?
Blow for active travel in London as High Court judge rules Sadiq Khan’s Streetspace initiative unlawful
Looks like the judgement doesn't include a requirement for things to be removed immediately?
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Do you mean the LTDA and UTAG victory?
Its all over the Taxi press.
It was Bishopgate that really annoyed the Cab drivers. Its now blocked off half way down. With only buses and cycles allowed through.
The Judge was withering on how TFL and Khan used the pandemic to push through streetscape without proper thought.
Disabled group also welcome the judgement that Equalities Impact was very poorly dealt with by TFL and Khan.
Basically Judge said the Cabbies should be treated as a form of public transport like buses. They provide necessary service.
(I think the argument by Cabbies is that they should be able to move freely and not be constrained by bus gates/ LTNs etc as Cabbies are a form of public transport.)
This does not mean the end of Streetspace or LTNs. It should mean a rethink.
London ‘Streetspace’ ruling ‘confirms’ failure of meaningful consultations with disabled people
London ‘Streetspace’ court ruling ’confirms’ many local authorities and transport bodies have failed to carry out meaningful consultations with disabled people says leading disability organisation. The comments come following yesterday’s High Court ruling that Transport for London’s (TfL)...
www.taxi-point.co.uk
TAXI WIN: High Court rules Mayor and TfL’s Streetspace Plan and Bishopsgate Traffic Order “unlawful”
The High Court has today ruled that the Mayor of London and Transport for London (TfL) “acted unlawfully” in their treatment of licensed taxis, in the Streetspace for London Plan and associated Guidance and the A10 Bishopsgate Traffic Order. The landmark judgement follows a judicial review...
www.taxi-point.co.uk
From the Taxi Point article:
The case succeeded on four of the five grounds advanced on behalf of the taxi trade:
- In the Streetspace Plan and subsequent Guidance, the Mayor and TfL respectively failed to distinguish the special status of taxis from “general traffic”, neither taking into account the distinct status of taxis as a form of public transport nor the travel needs of those who rely on accessible taxis.
- The Mayor and TfL failed to have proper regard to their Public Sector Equality Duties under Section 149 of the Equalities Act 2010.
- The Plan, Guidance and the A10 Order unlawfully breached licensed taxi drivers’ “legitimate expectation” of being permitted to use bus lanes to ply for hire effectively as a vital part of London’s integrated public transport network.
- The treatment of taxis in the Plan, Guidance and the Order and the decisions to exclude them were “seriously flawed” and “irrational
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Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I looks to me the Cabbies victory will mean Equalities Impact will be an issue in Lambeth. Whether Lambeth has done proper EIA.
Going to be a lot of work for lawyers on both sides.
Brian Taylor
Active Member
The judgement is here
Snippets carefully chosen by me to suit my purpose.
'In my judgment, the flaws identified were symptomatic of an ill-considered response which sought to take advantage of the pandemic to push through, on an emergency basis without consultation, “radical changes”, “plans to transform parts of central London into one of the largest car-free zones in any capital city in the world”, '
'The stated justification for the restrictions on vehicle access, namely, that after lockdown, because of the limited public transport capacity, there would be a major increase in pedestrians and cyclists, and excessive traffic with consequent risks to safety and public health, was not evidence-based. It was mere conjecture, which was not a rational basis upon which to transform London’s roads.'
Snippets carefully chosen by me to suit my purpose.
'In my judgment, the flaws identified were symptomatic of an ill-considered response which sought to take advantage of the pandemic to push through, on an emergency basis without consultation, “radical changes”, “plans to transform parts of central London into one of the largest car-free zones in any capital city in the world”, '
'The stated justification for the restrictions on vehicle access, namely, that after lockdown, because of the limited public transport capacity, there would be a major increase in pedestrians and cyclists, and excessive traffic with consequent risks to safety and public health, was not evidence-based. It was mere conjecture, which was not a rational basis upon which to transform London’s roads.'
snowy_again
Slush
The judgement is on black cabs using a bus lane on an A road isn’t it?
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I think it also covers the wider guidance that TfL provided to LAs.
But I've yet to read through it in detail.
I'm hoping someone somewhere who knows what they are talking about, will write up a summary of what it actually means and to what extent it is relevant to other schemes.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Meanwhile in New York
www.vice.com
Owning a Car in the City Should Suck
Many New Yorkers are finding out owning a car in the city sucks. That's good.
www.vice.com
snowy_again
Slush
There’s a London Cycling Campaign analysis - along the lines of it doesn’t affect schemes that have started.
The transport for all review of LTNs and disabled people came out today:
It’s caveats are that it has a small sample size but that some disabled people like it (better access, quieter, it’s better than before but more needs to be done to include them in active travel planning) others didn’t like it (potentially longer routes for those with chronic illness amongst other things).
What was consistent was that they felt as if both sides were using disability (and ableist terms) and people with disability weren’t involved enough.
Also that this isn’t new - communities of disabled people are always left out and that the pre-situation (poor physical access, inaccessible public transport) had to change.
There’s a good recommendations page.
I’ll try and read it in more depth throw weekend.
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
Point of detail. Point 3 did not succeed.Do you mean the LTDA and UTAG victory?
Its all over the Taxi press.
It was Bishopgate that really annoyed the Cab drivers. Its now blocked off half way down. With only buses and cycles allowed through.
The Judge was withering on how TFL and Khan used the pandemic to push through streetscape without proper thought.
Disabled group also welcome the judgement that Equalities Impact was very poorly dealt with by TFL and Khan.
Basically Judge said the Cabbies should be treated as a form of public transport like buses. They provide necessary service.
(I think the argument by Cabbies is that they should be able to move freely and not be constrained by bus gates/ LTNs etc as Cabbies are a form of public transport.)
This does not mean the end of Streetspace or LTNs. It should mean a rethink.
.London ‘Streetspace’ ruling ‘confirms’ failure of meaningful consultations with disabled people
London ‘Streetspace’ court ruling ’confirms’ many local authorities and transport bodies have failed to carry out meaningful consultations with disabled people says leading disability organisation. The comments come following yesterday’s High Court ruling that Transport for London’s (TfL)...
TAXI WIN: High Court rules Mayor and TfL’s Streetspace Plan and Bishopsgate Traffic Order “unlawful”
The High Court has today ruled that the Mayor of London and Transport for London (TfL) “acted unlawfully” in their treatment of licensed taxis, in the Streetspace for London Plan and associated Guidance and the A10 Bishopsgate Traffic Order. The landmark judgement follows a judicial review...
From the Taxi Point article:
The case succeeded on four of the five grounds advanced on behalf of the taxi trade:
Im not clear how this will affect Lambeth.
- In the Streetspace Plan and subsequent Guidance, the Mayor and TfL respectively failed to distinguish the special status of taxis from “general traffic”, neither taking into account the distinct status of taxis as a form of public transport nor the travel needs of those who rely on accessible taxis.
- The Mayor and TfL failed to have proper regard to their Public Sector Equality Duties under Section 149 of the Equalities Act 2010.
- The Plan, Guidance and the A10 Order unlawfully breached licensed taxi drivers’ “legitimate expectation” of being permitted to use bus lanes to ply for hire effectively as a vital part of London’s integrated public transport network.
- The treatment of taxis in the Plan, Guidance and the Order and the decisions to exclude them were “seriously flawed” and “irrational
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
Sounds like the judge is part of a pro motorist One group and that part of judgement seems to go far beyond what she should have been considering.
I predict most or all of findings overturned at appeal.
Jeanette Moo
Active Member
A judge in the one group? Bit of a stretch. Maybe she was that woman who gets all ranty?
Also the judge denied appeal. LBC said this evening that in order to appeal they would have to take it to the court of appeal. To win, they would have to find fault on all points in order to succeed.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
I did think it was a bit of a stretch to ban traffic on bishopsgate, it’s a really busy road outside one of the biggest stations in London. Maybe they will change the plans to let black cabs through the gates, that would sort it.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
What would you have made of Lord Denning vs Ken Livingstone over Fair's Fare?
Surely Lord Denning was a Hampshire Tory who knew that trains were for conveying the gentry to London - which is presumably why he got the case to try.
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
editor
hiraethified
Someone's nicking the signs!
www.brixtonbuzz.com
Brixton councillor condemns vandalism to Low Traffic Neighbourhood signage in Ferndale LTN
What appears to be intentional sabotage by opponents of Lambeth’s Low Traffic Neighbourhood (LTN) scheme continues to take place around the Ferndale LTN, with traffic signs being repeatedly …
www.brixtonbuzz.com
Jeanette Moo
Active Member
Green road closure signs removed after motorists baffled
The green sign meant to celebrate road closures has been removed by a council amid fears it has confused elderly motorists leading to fines
www.telegraph.co.uk
Related?
sparkybird
ask the bird...
the article relates to west London (only read that on the caption as there's no way I'm subscribing to the Torygraph). The signs removed in Brixton are proper highways signs, which state no entry for vehicles as part of the LTN road changes. I wonder if the cameras are also vandalised? If not, Lambeth must be issuing lots of fines.....Green road closure signs removed after motorists baffled
The green sign meant to celebrate road closures has been removed by a council amid fears it has confused elderly motorists leading to fines
Related?
Jeanette Moo
Active Member
I saw the same signs all over Lambeth planters so thought it may be the same thing
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
I see all the COVID pavement widening has been taken out in Herne hill, is that the taxis work?
snowy_again
Slush
I had a letter from network rail saying they’re towards the end of their refurb work (after 2 different vehicles hit the bridge). To do that, they need to shuffle the bits of pavement access around for a few days as that was interfering with their access.
All that work and they still haven’t stopped the pigeons nesting in the eaves and producing mounds of guano...
All that work and they still haven’t stopped the pigeons nesting in the eaves and producing mounds of guano...
teuchter
je suis teuchter
TfL going for appeal against Streetspace ruling
www.cityam.com
Sadiq Khan seeks permission to appeal 'unlawful' Streetspace ruling
Sadiq Khan has today submitted an application to appeal against a High Court ruling that deemed his "Streetspace" plan illegal.
www.cityam.com
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