Britain First

[Magnus McGinty]

Desperate. What the fuck has happened to you? It was clearly a point about the very particular nature of BF and how they are fucking racist hypocrites.

They are not interested in protecting women from sex offenders. They are interested in abusing Muslims. The whole hero shtick is a fucking rouse as well you know.

But this view and the law applies to non fascists also. So it’s quite important.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

So you wouldn’t have a problem if the sex offender had been white/Christian?

You’re going down a really weird route here

 

[ddraig]

Post #618 in the very first sentence.

why not quote the proper post then?
too desperate

 

[Treacle Toes]

You’re going down a really weird route here

It's called looking for a pointless row. It's his MO recently.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

You’re going down a really weird route here

It’s true: we’re going down a weird route when some anti-social or criminal scumbags have a protected characteristic based on ethnicity or religion.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

why not quote the proper post then?
too desperate

I did quote that post just not all of it. But it’s there if you want to read it.

 

[Yossarian]

If the Nation of Islam or whoever started banging on the doors of random white people calling them dirty white Christian pedophile scumbags, there's a reasonable chance they might get done for the same offence.

 

[ddraig]

It’s true: we’re going down a weird route when some anti-social or criminal scumbags have a protected characteristic based on ethnicity or religion.

the people they targeted were INNOCENT
do you understand??

 

[ddraig]

If the Nation of Islam or whoever started banging on the doors of random white people calling them dirty white Christian pedophile scumbags, there's a reasonable chance they might get done for the same offence.

and this!

 

[Pickman's model]

well, that's not going to happen arrse banned the far right and mockery of said far right because it just wasn't funny anymore and was getting boring and a waste of bandwidth. yes your always going to have a few facists and types in the armed forces but its no more popular than it's in the general population. They did use to regularly attempt to recruit and were more successful than the SWP bt only just.

nearly as successful as the 'ra

 

[existentialist]

It’s good when they fight each other tbf.

But they're not even very good at that!

 

[Magnus McGinty]

the people they targeted were INNOCENT
do you understand??

The wider point is also being discussed.

 

[ddraig]

The wider point is also being discussed.

do you agree with post #637 by Yoss?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

do you agree with post #637 by Yoss?

Are those protected characteristics and is there a legal precedent where where they’ve been aggravating factors in a case of harassment?

Even if it is, why should abusing some scumbag who is Christian be any worse than abusing an atheist one?

 

[Joe Reilly]

If the Nation of Islam or whoever started banging on the doors of random white people calling them dirty white Christian pedophile scumbags, there's a reasonable chance they might get done for the same offence.

Yes, it is possible might tey have been charged with breach of the peace or some such, but as with some clown shouting abuse entirely through random letter boxes it is not likely they would have been jailed, much less as in this case for 9 months. There would be hundreds of thousands in jail if everyone was treated the same way.
And it is precisely because the sentencing overkill is self-evident that it becomes politically counter productive.

 

[likesfish]

I'd have thought conspiracy to pervert the course of justice might have been more appropriate.

might have gone for it except the fuckwits went nowhere near anyone involved in the trial so conspiracy might have failed because they targeted people that had zero contact with the trial

 

[ddraig]

Are those protected characteristics and is there a legal precedent where where they’ve been aggravating factors in a case of harassment?

Even if it is, why should abusing some scumbag who is Christian be any worse than abusing an atheist one?

stop twisting it for your own ends
if INNOCENT christians were being verbally attacked by muslims or other faiths because of their faith then it would be the same no
the people they abused were NOT scumbags, you might think so, but they were NOT, once again they were INNOCENT and targeted because of their faith

 

[SpookyFrank]

So you wouldn’t have a problem if the sex offender had been white/Christian?

Pisspoor even for you.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

stop twisting it for your own ends
if INNOCENT christians were being verbally attacked by muslims or other faiths because of their faith then it would be the same no
the people they abused were NOT scumbags, you might think so, but they were NOT, once again they were INNOCENT and targeted because of their faith

Is having some nutter screaming through your letterbox for being Christian more traumatic than having them harass you for some other reason?

 

[ddraig]

Is having some nutter screaming through your letterbox for being Christian more traumatic than having them harass you for some other reason?

not saying it is but it's the fucking aggravating factor and why they did it isn't it

 

[SpookyFrank]

Is having some nutter screaming through your letterbox for being Christian more traumatic than having them harass you for some other reason?

Won't somebody please think of the white people?

 

[Teaboy]

That reminds me what is the collective noun for strawmen?

 

[SpookyFrank]

That reminds me what is the collective noun for strawmen?

A Magnus of straw men.

 

[Kaka Tim]

Is having some nutter screaming through your letterbox for being Christian more traumatic than having them harass you for some other reason?

research shows that hate crime - i.e. being attacked for your race, religion, sexuality etc has a more damaging effect on the victim - because you are attacking something fundamental about their sense of self. it also acts as an attack on a wider community - in this case it sends a message of hate to all muslims. Thats why if a crime is classed as a "hate crime" it results in a more punitive sentence.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

not saying it is but it's the fucking aggravating factor and why they did it isn't it

They could simply have had their collars felt for harassment. What has happened is they’ve had aggravating factors bolted on which plays right into their narrative of minorities getting special treatment which helps their organisations grow. All being cheered on by you.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Won't somebody please think of the white people?

You’re another far right recruitment agent.

 

[SpookyFrank]

You’re another far right recruitment agent.

That's not an accusation I take at all lightly and I invite you to withdraw it.

 

[Red Sky]

They could simply have had their collars felt for harassment. What has happened is they’ve had aggravating factors bolted on which plays right into their narrative of minorities getting special treatment which helps their organisations grow. All being cheered on by you.

Not really. If they'd actually successfully targeted the defendants maybe. Instead of which they're just a laughing stock. Their conduct was definitely towards the upper end of harassment.

If they'd been animal rights types they'd have been properly fucked but then the pharmaceutical industry genuinely gets "special treatment "

 

[ddraig]

They could simply have had their collars felt for harassment. What has happened is they’ve had aggravating factors bolted on which plays right into their narrative of minorities getting special treatment which helps their organisations grow. All being cheered on by you.

no you prick, you think muslims are fair game

 

[Magnus McGinty]

no you prick, you think muslims are fair game

I think some people are fair game by virtue of their actions - their ethnicity or beliefs are irrelevant. You think their characteristics are relevant. What does that make you?