DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
the four horsemen. War, Famine, no more brie, and the worse horseman: It'll make my queue at the port take longer.
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Of course there'll be plenty of snidey 'look at the company you keep' remarks from people who should know better and we can expect increasingly hysterical meeja assault and panic-button pushing statements of doom from the innie politicos but really, there simply hasn't been a convincing left in case. I've seen attempts and they aren't much more than labour style 'but the tories' stuff, prophecies of financial doom and the least convincing one- the EU is what keeps us from ww3
No, it's not about mass expulsion. I realise that economically none of the countries involved can countenance that, least of all the UK. What's more likely is that Eastern Europeans could start being regulated under visas, and may have time limits on how long they can stay (leading to countermeasures by European states). So a mass expulsion isn't likely, but a controlled expulsion is quite possible I think.Can anyone back up this mass expulsion scenario. The one outlined above.
If it's not why are you using the fear of that to agitate for staying in the EU?No, it's not about mass expulsion. I realise that economically none of the countries involved can countenance that, least of all the UK. What's more likely is that Eastern Europeans could start being regulated under visas, and may have time limits on how long they can stay (leading to countermeasures by European states). So a mass expulsion isn't likely, but a controlled expulsion is quite possible I think.
I'm not. I'm sure others can read what I wrote, which was about inhibitions on freedom of movement.If it's not why are you using the fear of that to agitate for staying in the EU?
We have a couple of women form China working in our office a few years ago. Despite having been there a couple of years they had to re-apply for their visas and where unsuccessful, which meant they had to go back to China. We also have a couple of Polish women, I wounder if they may find themselves in a similar situation a few years down the line if we did leave. Although I don't think we will leave, regardless of the referendum result.Can anyone back up this mass expulsion scenario. The one outlined above.
Yeah, so expulsions. despite now capital or state wanting that to happen. It's bizarre.I'm not. I'm sure others can read what I wrote, which was about inhibitions on freedom of movement.
A similar situation to what? A made up story about being expelled? I'm not sure the EU can regulate whatever the situation is with china.We have a couple of women form China working in our office a few years ago. Despite having been there a couple of years they had to re-apply for their visas and where unsuccessful, which meant they had to go back to China. We also have a couple of Polish women, I wounder if they may find themselves in a similar situation a few years down the line if we did leave. Although I don't think we will leave, regardless of the referendum result.
Is there any method of finding out?I know quite a few continentals living and working in the UK. One of them has become a UK citizen, but I do wonder if the rest might be asked to "go home" if leave wins.
Are you saying I made it up, I can't tell? The point is that while talk of sudden mass expulsions is clearly ridiculous, currently non-EU citizens do suddenly find themselves forced to leave. I don't think it's unreasonable to be concerned about EU citizens facing the same issues it if the UK was to leave. If I was from another EU country planning to stay in the UK I would be worried about it. Especially considering the increasingly hostile immigration rules.A similar situation to what? A made up story about being expelled? I'm not sure the EU can regulate whatever the situation is with china,
Are you saying I made it up, I can't tell? The point is that while talk of sudden mass expulsions is clearly ridiculous, currently non-EU citizens do suddenly find themselves forced to leave.
Ermm it's true.I'm stopping this here. Is it true? It's not is it? So why are you saying it and using it to bolster pro-eu views? Or is it a massive load of not fucking true?
No, it's not.Ermm it's true.
Tel me what you think is true about your claim that NON EU citizens will be forced to leave the UK if the exit vote wins.Ermm it's true.
I haven't claimed that?Tel me what you think is true about your claim that NON EU citizens will be forced to leave the UK if the exit vote wins.
I therefore don't think it is unreasonable to worry that the same will apply to EU workers if the UK was to leave the EU.
I agree, I think so as well. But I can see why people may worry about it. Plus there is always a chance that it may be changed at some point in the future.It won't. The post-brexit negotiations will include a clause for movement of people.
I'm sorry - i think we have this toatlly crossed. It's expelling non-eu workers right now. Today. It's the eu that set up fortress europe. It's no one else. The eu is the hardest face of anti-immigration going. But you know, got some skills..,I haven't claimed that?
I have claimed that currently non-EU workers sometimes get their visa application refused when their current one expires, and as a result have to leave the country, or stay illegally. Are you saying this never happens?
I therefore don't think it is unreasonable to worry that the same will apply to EU workers if the UK was to leave the EU.
There are no people in their calculations - there are labour powers. And the calculation will never be yours.I agree, I think so as well. But I can see why people may worry about it. Plus there is always a chance that it may be changed at some point in the future.
I'm not sure where you are comming from. The EU is rabidly anti-immigration from outside the EU. Yes it is. Well from certain areas of the world's anyway. I don't see how that affects the current discussion?I'm sorry - i think we have this toatlly crossed. It's the expelling non-eu workers right now. Today. It's the wu that set up fortress europe. It's no one else. The eu is the hardest face of anti-immigration going. But you know, got some skills..
But that is not my position?I never understand this - be pro-eu but against fortress europe. And then spend all your time in Calais.
The workers that capital needed in the UK before are not going to be expelled.I'm not sure where you are comming from. The EU is rabidly anti-immigration from outside the EU. Yes it is. Well from certain areas of the world's anyway. I don't see how that affects the current discussion?
I'm talking about spookfrank and other people who do have that position.But that is not my position?