stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Fuck Obama, fuck Le Pen, fuck Galloway, fuck Farage, fuck Cameron, fuck Gove, fuck Corbyn, fuck Boris.
Shallow charade.
Shallow charade.
Brexit or Bremain - Urban votes
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I sort of want to get one off the Grassroots Go campaign ties. They are so fugly its almost parody:
I mean, for real?
yeah charades till the date is all thats left for me. Of course there'll be plenty of snidey 'look at the company you keep' remarks from people who should know better and we can expect increasingly hysterical meeja assault and panic-button pushing statements of doom from the innie politicos but really, there simply hasn't been a convincing left in case. I've seen attempts and they aren't much more than labour style 'but the tories' stuff, prophecies of financial doom and the least convincing one- the EU is what keeps us from ww3
I mean, for real?
yeah charades till the date is all thats left for me. Of course there'll be plenty of snidey 'look at the company you keep' remarks from people who should know better and we can expect increasingly hysterical meeja assault and panic-button pushing statements of doom from the innie politicos but really, there simply hasn't been a convincing left in case. I've seen attempts and they aren't much more than labour style 'but the tories' stuff, prophecies of financial doom and the least convincing one- the EU is what keeps us from ww3
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Aye, noose's for them all.
gosub
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Hilary Benn MP, Mick Cash, Nigel Farage MEP, Justine Greening MP, Any Questions? - BBC Radio 4 Mick Cash gives it a go, apparently
I am really, really looking forward to watching various heads - particularly those of kippers - explode as they realise:
They are being told to leave the EU...
...by a fascist...
...in French!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It's not an insult. It's an analysis of your post ("neo-Malthusian"), and a quantification of the content ("bollocks").
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
If that was my intention, I certainly succeeded! Sadly, though, getting a rise out of you doesn't seem to be a particularly challenging task.
As to talking shit, that was clearly what you were doing. Firstly, the EU migrant situation seems fairly stable at the moment, as there are a limited number of people who want to come here, most of ehomhave already done so. At he moment some jove into the UK but others including British citizens move out to other places.
As to your final paragraph, the world population is growing, but at an increasingly slower rate as it moves towards stabilisation. Birth rates are falling because people in many parts of the world are a little more prosperous, infant mortality has fallen, and extra children are increasingly a drain on, rather than a means of supplementing family incomes. As to our housing and other infrastructure, even in London and the broader commuter belt, that could be improved and expanded at little real cost to the environment. Given the political will, that is.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
I hope you take precautions before all that fucking, otherwise you'll be riddled with STD's
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Does anyone aside fron Cameron still support TTIP? It's unpopular here and on the continent; and Sanders, Trump and apparently now even Clinton seem to be against it
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
What harm does TTIP do to the US worker?
Is the bern's opposition simply protectionist? Against floods of German cars?
Just that I've only ever thought of it as US negotiators trying to shift the EU their way...
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
For me the secrecy and the heavy implication that it will allow us style anti-trust law (I think that means anti monopoly or cartel but can be used to oppose state owned operations and if true would absolutely be used so, these people are vultures).
It could be a degree of protectionism from that side of the pond, the lack of total transparency around TTIP and its discussions however lead any sane person to suspect back room capitalist favouring stitch up.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Stitchup Transatlantic Dickheads
Brixton Hatter
Home is south London mate
Vote out.
Because:
a) it will weaken the UK establishment
b) it will weaken the neo-liberal, pro-business EU
c) it will enable opportunities for pro-labour movements.
A vote to stay in merely perpetuates the same old shit we've been experiencing.
Embrace the exciting possibility of a different future....
Because:
a) it will weaken the UK establishment
b) it will weaken the neo-liberal, pro-business EU
c) it will enable opportunities for pro-labour movements.
A vote to stay in merely perpetuates the same old shit we've been experiencing.
Embrace the exciting possibility of a different future....
Are you in fact the CPGB(ML)?
Brixton Hatter
Home is south London mate
ha ha, lol...no.
(Though on second reading it does sound like the last page of the Ragged Trousered Philanthropists.)
(Though on second reading it does sound like the last page of the Ragged Trousered Philanthropists.)
youngian
Well-Known Member
How's that going to happen? you at least need to make an honest argument of how we would better off under a protectionist national planned economy rather than hanging on the coat tails of Tea Party crackpots and nationalists to do the heavy lifting for you.
It's on the onus of Leavers to explain what was so good about the nation state balance of power systems (or attempted hegemonies) that dominated the European interstate system before the creation of the EU.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
a) How? A sizeable (ultra-reactionary) chunk of the UK establishment wants out. Which bits of the UK establishment will be weakened?
b) That will lead to what in its place? And how will it be better?
c) How? In the short term at least it will do the exact opposite - it will enable opportunities for the anti-labour movements that are dominating the brexit campaign.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
is it bollocks, bogeyman war, bogeyman famine, bogeyman death.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Seems reasonable to me to ask anyone making any case to give an idea about how good things will happen that is a little more concrete than 'by magic'.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I'm not making a case. Its up to stay to convince and so far no dice, I've said all along that the stay in arguments aren't good enough after greece. Last shred went there. The idea that a major european war would errupt without the eu is bonkers bullshit though.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The idea that nasty regimes could emerge in places like Greece in the aftermath of a collapsed EU is not bonkers bullshit. It's exactly what Varoufakis thinks will happen.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
As for this, it is entirely arbitrary to say that it's up to one or other side to convince. That's meaningless.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
9 mill of taxpayers money says otherwise
but yes I'm being glib there. There isn't going to be a rise in totalitarian regimes and a replay of the 30s if we leave. Youngians 'what was so good about balance of powers' etc is meaningless because its 2016 not 1930.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
in any case I see the FN are doing rather well, EU or no EU. Golden Dawn not doing so well these days, EU or no EU
youngian
Well-Known Member
Or 1755, 1815, 1871, 1914. Why is that, what is different about the European interstate system now?
To begin to pull apart the threads that bind Europe together you better have a very good reason. Greece having an overvalued currency is not one of them. There's more nascent nation states in Europe than there has ever been and all have (or applied to) anchored themselves into the European Union apart from Russia's Near Abroad. Including the former Yugoslav federal states. Their experiment in nationalism in the 90s didn't go too well.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Of course, the EU hasn't in anyway produced this potential nastiness - heightened it, gave it legs and helped put it at the centre of opposition to its imposition of neo-liberalism.
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