Brexit - impact on musicians, touring and the music/events industry

[maomao]

Therein lies the problem. Bezos probably started out on his slippery slope by not declaring the sale of just one single copy of How to win friends and influence people. An obvious gateway book.

I'm literally saying that it's not the same thing. Me (currently unwaged) haggling a tenner off for cash with the plumber fixing my tap is not the same thing as corporate tax avoidance. It's not a difference of degree, it's different because of our relative positions in society. There is no slope.

And inventing minor hypocrisies to get one over in an online political conversation is just fucking boring.

 

[Saul Goodman]

And inventing minor hypocrisies to get one over in an online political conversation is just fucking boring.

You reckon?

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Oh my god. Why do you bastards have to keep on like this? This could be a genuinely useful and helpful thread with people sharing information about the situation. I have absolutely no idea why you feel you have to so spitefully derail every single post that is actually on topic. . . like you actually hate the fact anyone would look for legal clarity on touring in post Brexit Europe. Why?

 

[krtek a houby]

Astounding thread.

 

[Ming]

More lies...

 

[skyscraper101]

Another day another Brexit shitshow for U.K. musicians and tour crew.

Many artists can't afford to tour Spain as Brexit touring fiasco rolls on

Figures from the music industry tell us how new Brexit visa rules in Spain mean that many UK artists can no longer afford to play there

www.nme.com

 

[Sasaferrato]

I don’t care about brexit I am sick of hearing about it tbh, from all sides tbh. Who cares who was right?

I have a deal of sympathy with this view. It is done. It is what it is. Over the next period, which may be a year, maybe longer, things will settle to a final outcome.

Banging on and on and on and on does fuck all but give you ulcers.

No matter how many pixels, yards of newsprint or litres of breath you expend, IT WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING.

 

[Pickman's model]

I have a deal of sympathy with this view. It is done. It is what it is. Over the next period, which may be a year, maybe longer, things will settle to a final outcome.

Banging on and on and on and on does fuck all but give you ulcers.

No matter how many pixels, yards of newsprint or litres of breath you expend, IT WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING.

Yes it will. It'll pass the time at work.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Yes it will. It'll pass the time at work.

 

[Supine]

I have a deal of sympathy with this view. It is done. It is what it is. Over the next period, which may be a year, maybe longer, things will settle to a final outcome.

Banging on and on and on and on does fuck all but give you ulcers.

No matter how many pixels, yards of newsprint or litres of breath you expend, IT WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING.

Maybe this isn’t the thread for you

 

[Sasaferrato]

Maybe this isn’t the thread for you

I appreciate that I'm not a musician, indeed I cannot carry a tune in a bucket, but the situation is as it is, endless railing against the injustice changes nothing, and becomes wearisome. The first twenty posts outlined the problems, and nothing has changed from there.

 

[toblerone3]

This appeared on my FB feed today and I thought of this thread.

"Yesterday I spent an hour and a half in the Spanish embassy for an interview to allow me to take part in one concert in Barcelona in December.
You can’t take any bags with you but you must have:
1. Visa Application Form with passport photo glued on.
2. Passport and photocopy of passport photo page
3. Letter of invitation from the promotors
4. No objection letter from my accountant including a list of 3 professional engagements taking place after Barcelona, along with most recent UK tax return. (£35 thank you accountant)
5. Last 3 months of original bank statements stamped by a cashier at my bank right up to today’s date.
6. A printed letter from the employer confirming the amount that I will be paid for this project
7. Proof of travel booking
8. Proof of accommodation booking
9. Proof of personal overseas travel insurance which must include repatriation
10. Document checklist (printed)
11. Appointment confirmation (printed).
And the visa cost £115
And they can hold onto my passport for up to 7 weeks
Oh and they took my photo and fingerprints on the way out! Marvellous."

 

[killer b]

The first twenty posts outlined the problems, and nothing has changed from there.

that isn't true at all, the working restrictions and various possible workarounds proposed for musicians have changed multiple times since the start of the thread.

 

[ska invita]

This appeared on my FB feed today and I thought of this thread.

"Yesterday I spent an hour and a half in the Spanish embassy for an interview to allow me to take part in one concert in Barcelona in December.
You can’t take any bags with you but you must have:
1. Visa Application Form with passport photo glued on.
2. Passport and photocopy of passport photo page
3. Letter of invitation from the promotors
4. No objection letter from my accountant including a list of 3 professional engagements taking place after Barcelona, along with most recent UK tax return. (£35 thank you accountant)
5. Last 3 months of original bank statements stamped by a cashier at my bank right up to today’s date.
6. A printed letter from the employer confirming the amount that I will be paid for this project
7. Proof of travel booking
8. Proof of accommodation booking
9. Proof of personal overseas travel insurance which must include repatriation
10. Document checklist (printed)
11. Appointment confirmation (printed).
And the visa cost £115
And they can hold onto my passport for up to 7 weeks
Oh and they took my photo and fingerprints on the way out! Marvellous."

id have thought you cant make a travel/accommodation booking until you know youve got a visa approved

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Tour Manager Kirsten Burrows summarises "And Also The trees" recent mi

Following on from the recent webinar with Beak discussing their EU tour and experiences with carnets, Kirsten Burrows who is the Tour Manager for 'And Also The Trees' contacted Carry On Touring to see if we would be interested in hearing about their recent mini tour in the EU. Absolutely, any...

www.carryontouring.uk

 

[ska invita]

Tour Manager Kirsten Burrows summarises "And Also The trees" recent mi

Following on from the recent webinar with Beak discussing their EU tour and experiences with carnets, Kirsten Burrows who is the Tour Manager for 'And Also The Trees' contacted Carry On Touring to see if we would be interested in hearing about their recent mini tour in the EU. Absolutely, any...

www.carryontouring.uk

easy!!

 

[2hats]

I've visited closed FSB controlled cities in Russia with less bureaucratic faff.

 

[editor]

Tour Manager Kirsten Burrows summarises "And Also The trees" recent mi

Following on from the recent webinar with Beak discussing their EU tour and experiences with carnets, Kirsten Burrows who is the Tour Manager for 'And Also The Trees' contacted Carry On Touring to see if we would be interested in hearing about their recent mini tour in the EU. Absolutely, any...

www.carryontouring.uk

What a fucking bureaucratic nightmare And that's what it's like when there's hardly any bands touring. Brexit is a fucking disaster for bands.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

My main take was the complexity/faff even though it was a tiny tour, run by someone clearly competent at their job, who had taken steps to absolutely minimise any problems.

 

[nogojones]

My main take was the complexity/faff even though it was a tiny tour, run by someone clearly competent at their job, who had taken steps to absolutely minimise any problems.

It'll be much more fun to do it on the hoof with someone who's totally chaotic evil at their job

 

[spitfire]

It'll be much more fun to do it on the hoof with someone who's totally chaotic evil at their job

A lot of bands start with mate as TM/backline so that's probably highly likely!

 

[Badgers]

 

[Pickman's model]

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aren't all acts of parliament bespoke? shit, yes, but bespoke

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Response from DCMS - Julia Lopez MP

Carry on Touring is the umbrella campaign which all those who tour – and rely on touring - can support and sit under. It brings together voices from across the touring, cultural and creative industries sectors to secure cross-party support for Tim Brennan’s petition.

www.carryontouring.uk

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

aren't all acts of parliament bespoke? shit, yes, but bespoke

Not really. This was an act of parliament made bespoke specifically for Handel for that particular purpose. Like a bespoke tailored suit for one person. Most acts of parliament are general, concerning many people in various situations, therefore not bespoke.

 

[editor]

Response from DCMS - Julia Lopez MP

Carry on Touring is the umbrella campaign which all those who tour – and rely on touring - can support and sit under. It brings together voices from across the touring, cultural and creative industries sectors to secure cross-party support for Tim Brennan’s petition.

www.carryontouring.uk

Fuck this government

So, I was disappointed that the Secretary of State deemed the letter not of significant importance to deal with herself, instead handing it to a junior minister to deal with, who has not only been in post just a little over 6 weeks, but as her letter head implies is the Minister of State for Media, Data and Digital Infrastructure. Yet she states she is responsible for Touring in the EU, which in my view forms only a small, but important cog in the £111billion machine that is the Creative Industries.

There is nothing new in the response from Julia Lopez MP and in fact continues to state the same line as the announcement on the 4th August, that we are freely able to undertake touring in now 20 member states.

 

[Pickman's model]

Not really. This was an act of parliament made bespoke specifically for Handel for that particular purpose. Like a bespoke tailored suit for one person. Most acts of parliament are general, concerning many people in various situations, therefore not bespoke.

yes, this was - like any other act of parliament - written for a specific purpose be that local government finance, terrorism or public order etc. unlike the acts of attainder - which were also aimed at specific people - this was not to remove his property as a traitor to the crown but to allow him to ply his craft in britain. my point is simple, that there are bespoke things and there are off the shelf things or standard things or whatnot. but there can be no off the shelf acts of parliament. is this really so very hard to understand?

 

[Pickman's model]

Not really. This was an act of parliament made bespoke specifically for Handel for that particular purpose. Like a bespoke tailored suit for one person. Most acts of parliament are general, concerning many people in various situations, therefore not bespoke.

oh and the 1727 act was not for one person. he wasn't even the first person named in it - it was 'An Act for naturalizing Louis Sechehaye, George Frideric [Frederick] Handel, Anthony Fursteneau and Michael Schlegel'. Search results

 

[danski]

For god’s sake ATOMIC SUPLEX , go and stand in the corner.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Independent artists and labels say Brexit has had "outrageous" impact in shipping music and merch to and from Europe

Independent artists and labels have spoken of the "outrageous" impact and "spiralling costs" of sending music and merchandise to Europe in the wake of Brexit.

www.nme.com