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BrewDog: yet another hip company using 'rebel' language to sell its stuff

8ball said:
Hmm.. will look up Sutra, though your faint praise of Heinekin is worrying.
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Let me be completely clear about this.

Heineken 00 is not a nice drink. BUT if you like Heineken it tastes pretty much like the the alcohol version of. And so in that respect it’s a pretty decent AF beer.

I just don’t like lager, particularly stuff like Heineken. There’s no praise (faint or otherwise) there.

Get yourself some Sutra and Big Drop Citra IPA and let me know what you think.
 
discobastard said:
Heineken 00 is not a nice drink. BUT if you like Heineken it tastes pretty much like the the alcohol version of.
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That is a good clarification. Though its anyone's guess what's going on with the tastebuds of people who like Heinekin.
Can you get Sutra and Big Drop IPA at supermarkets?
 
8ball said:
That is a good clarification. Though its anyone's guess what's going on with the tastebuds of people who like Heinekin.
Can you get Sutra and Big Drop IPA at supermarkets?
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You can get big drop at the very big Tesco's stores. They also sell infinite session, which is also great.

Not seen sutra in the wild, but I didn't care for it that much.
 
discobastard said:
Have you ever considered the fact that there may be people with different experiences to yours? People that may have found themselves with an alcohol problem (for example) that may choose to (or need to) stop drinking. Or others that simply don't want to get drunk? Should they therefore be only allowed to drink diet Coke or J2O in pubs when socialising with friends?
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Yes.

You might not see the point but perhaps you can see how that might come across as quite an arrogant or ignorant point of view to some others.
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Don't care.

Oh, and 'don't you dare try telling me that it doesn't contribute to the overall flavour of a beer'. I don't think anybody has said that have they? Have you bothered to read any of the posts here? :rolleyes: Do you understand how the supply of and demand for goods works? It's a fairly basic principle.
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Just forestalling any nonsense before it comes up.

Also, "supply and demand" can be used to justify the existence of any number of shitty products.

I was in a craft beer bar recently and asked if they had any non alcoholic beers. They said they had Becks Blue (which is disappointing in itself for the kind of bar I was in). I said go on then I'll have one of those. They said, oh, we've run out sorry (bet they never run out of the other bottles). And the guy stood next to me at the bar said 'well, non-alcoholic beer is a shit idea anyway ahahaha'. What a great guy eh? *He* knows what is and isn't good for me. He was a fucking prick.
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Oh nose, someone expressed a negative opinion about the alcohol-free pisswater you love so much, therefore they're a fucking prick? Who's the arrogant one now?

In any case, even if he is a fucking prick, that doesn't make him wrong. Alcohol-free beer is shit idea.

It's not all about you is it. Interested to hear what you think about that.

ETA: It's interesting to see quite a few people liking the quoted post - be keen to hear why others think there is 'no point' to non-alcoholic beers, which tends to suggest that those who choose not to drink should have their choices suppressed - but maybe I've misinterpreted that? Happy to be proved wrong.
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I just don't like the whole idea behind making something that, as a natural part of the process, creates an alcoholic beverage, and then deliberately sucking one of the best parts out of it. It's worse than pineapple on pizza. At least you can pick the pineapple off of a pizza.

teuchter said:
It would be interesting to ask them - as a serious question - why are they not receptive?

Because surely anyone who's seriously interested in beer (rather than getting drunk) shouldn't be using the alcohol content as a way of automatically discounting options.
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"Rather than". No. I reject this framing entirely. As far as I am concerned, becoming inebriated is part of the whole beer drinking experience. I don't see why I have to choose between getting drunk and tasting something nice. That's a false dichotomy and thus I reject it.

There's certainly a lot of pretty dull alcohol-free beer out there - but the same applies to 'real' beer. Why not give some encouragement to the brewers who are working hard to make decent low- or no- alcohol beer. The brewer who can make a tasty 0.5% or even 1.5% beer is quite possibly a more skillful brewer than the one who can make 7% concoction the impact of which largely relies on the alcohol hit.

(By the way, having moved in the past few years to seldom drinking anything more than about 4% if I can help it, much of the 5% or 6% stuff that I previously liked now just tastes a bit 'chemical' like I'm drinking meths or something)
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Teuchter talks bollocks again. It takes skill to make a strong beer taste good. Otherwise undrinkable gut-rot shite like Tennant's Super and Special Brew would actually be worth it.
 
I drink decaff coffee all the time. Don't like the anxiety and nervousness I get from "proper" coffee but i like the taste of coffee

I drink alcohol free beer sometimes, if I'm driving. I just like the taste of beer and don't want to drink coke and shit.
 
I'd put that as 'even less choice of things to drink', because generally at the moment, the best case scenario is a single non-alcoholic beer option.
 
teuchter said:
As a general thing, some people seem to be uncomfortable about non-drinkers being amongst a group of drinkers. Perhaps especially in older generations.
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Some people can be really weird about it, I think being reminded of their dependancies makes them feel uncomfortable.

( comment based upon experience not a dig at people here )

Alex
 
alex_ said:
Some people can be really weird about it, I think being reminded of their dependancies makes them feel uncomfortable.

( comment based upon experience not a dig at people here )

Alex
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This seems to be quite commonly mentioned amongst ex-drinkers I know.

Regular, fairly heavy drinking tends to make people angry, fearful and selfish. Even socially at work, I've seen some very uncomfortable exchanges between those for whom drinking is their social lubricant (the primary and in some cases sole route to a 'good time') and those that choose to live differently for whatever reason.

Even the guy in the bar that told me AF was a 'shit idea' - he may not have a drink problem himself but he's not able to see past how deeply alcohol is embedded in our culture as something that the 'right' kind of people do.
 
NoXion said:
"Rather than". No. I reject this framing entirely. As far as I am concerned, becoming inebriated is part of the whole beer drinking experience. I don't see why I have to choose between getting drunk and tasting something nice. That's a false dichotomy and thus I reject it.
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This makes no sense whatsoever. If you read Teuchter's post properly it does not say you have to choose between the two and you can still very much be interested in beer rather than getting drunk. Those two things are in no way whatsoever mutually exclusive. Please see all the posts above from people interested in discussing the different low and no alcohol beers. Some of them taste like shit and some of them don't. I am interested in beer and I think Nanny State tastes flat and bland. But I would still like to drink a hop heavy beverage that has some bite to it, even though for reasons of my own I am choosing not to drink anything above 0.5%. And there are some out there that I am interested in and enjoy.

So you're rejecting something that isn't a false dichotomy - though you may have in haste read it that way because it fits your clearly informed view of non-alcoholic beer and why people drink it.

The only bit that does make sense is 'becoming inebriated is part of the whole beer drinking experience' - in that I can believe you think that, and if getting drunk is part of your desired experience then good for you. You're entitled to that. And many people get drunk and don't have a problem with it. Though it does creep up on you (that is a general comment and not directed at anybody).

I however don't think that getting inebriated is part of the whole beer drinking experience (having had experience of both sides). And I am entitled to that also surely.
 
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Even if one hates the taste of it, the emergence of decent quality 0.0 beer is good news for everyone. It would certainly cause a reduction, however small, in drink driving cases. Many drink drivers do it consciously and don’t give a fuck of course, but there are plenty of others who go to the pub with friends or work colleagues intending to have the one pint but ending up having more. A good quality non alc beer would become a real substitute for beer for those people who don’t like drinking traditional soft drinks in pubs.
 
T & P said:
Even if one hates the taste of it, the emergence of decent quality 0.0 beer is good news for everyone. It would certainly cause a reduction, however small, in drink driving cases. Many drink drivers do it consciously and don’t give a fuck of course, but there are plenty of others who go to the pub with friends or work colleagues intending to have the one pint but ending up having more. A good quality non alc beer would become a real substitute for beer for those people who don’t like drinking traditional soft drinks in pubs.
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I'm all for that. Having something that looks like a pint can take some of the peer pressure away.

Thought: I'm not sure if I should move all these posts to a separate thread seeing as there's some good points being buried in a thread abut shitty Brewdog.

People: 'Like' this post if you agree, otherwise I'll leave it.
 
editor said:
I'm all for that. Having something that looks like a pint can take some of the peer pressure away.

Thought: I'm not sure if I should move all these posts to a separate thread seeing as there's some good points being buried in a thread abut shitty Brewdog.

People: 'Like' this post if you agree, otherwise I'll leave it.
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That would be a nice alternative thread. I've been introduced to some decent non alcoholic beers and some terrible over the last few months. A dedicated thread would be informative to say the least. :thumbs:
 
Rosemary Jest said:
That would be a nice alternative thread. I've been introduced to some decent non alcoholic beers and some terrible over the last few months. A dedicated thread would be informative to say the least. :thumbs:
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Please add your reviews btw. Agree some are truly awful but there are some great ones appearing now which I think is gonna gain momentum in the next 2-3 years.
 
tommers said:
I drink decaff coffee all the time. Don't like the anxiety and nervousness I get from "proper" coffee but i like the taste of coffee

I drink alcohol free beer sometimes, if I'm driving. I just like the taste of beer and don't want to drink coke and shit.
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you don't drink shit, you eat it.
 
T & P said:
Even if one hates the taste of it, the emergence of decent quality 0.0 beer is good news for everyone. It would certainly cause a reduction, however small, in drink driving cases. Many drink drivers do it consciously and don’t give a fuck of course, but there are plenty of others who go to the pub with friends or work colleagues intending to have the one pint but ending up having more. A good quality non alc beer would become a real substitute for beer for those people who don’t like drinking traditional soft drinks in pubs.
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All I'd add to this is is to say 'beers' rather than beer singular (though I'm sure you meant that). Different people like different styles of beer and let's face it, we are probably over-faced with choice in terms of stronger beers. Rather than having to drink diet Coke and J2O I wouldn't want to have to drink Becks Blue all night either.
 
Not just a brew dog thing, but I'm seeing more and more almost decent beer in shops I'd expect to just see shit larger and some uninspired bitters.

Tried the 5am Saint the other day. Its rather nice, especially considering I bought it from a SPA.
 
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