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hiraethified
Can everyone afford private health care? Do you believe in companies promoting a two tier health system where only the well off can get treatment? Are you happy with the rich jumping queues?
BrewDog: yet another hip company using 'rebel' language to sell its stuff
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butchersapron
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Is this some sort of joke?
Ban this person, shut down the brixton forum and all those posters. Job done.
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hiraethified
I can't be arsed, but why not point out what's not truly wonderful about private health care for the rich and privileged?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I had this thread on mental ignore - most people who would kick back against this sort of crap probably have. It isn't acceptance of it.
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hiraethified
Sometimes it needs people like you to answer back otherwise new visitors will think that this board is some kind of pro-Thatcherite, nu-Brixton love in.
butchersapron
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The main thing is that leads to working class people living shorter lives in worse conditions. So even the shorter life is compromised - health wise.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I've put the brixton forum on ignore. I was genuinely shocked last time i even looked in there. You're right though, i just can't face it because of time issues at the minute. I don't know how you gramsci and others can keep going at times.
So you are equating a business offering healthcare and campaigning for the abolition of free at the point of consumption healthcare ?
The hilarious thing about all of this is while a load of left of center people call each other tories, actual tories are doing the things you are complaining about with very little resistance from Labour....
Alex
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hiraethified
If you offer exclusive private healthcare to your employees you are part of the fucking problem, and perpetuating the growing divide between the haves and the have nots.
And there's nothing 'hilarious' about it.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Ok, noted and will try to pitch in.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
The answer to all those questions is No and what should be happening is far more taxpayer money going into the NHS to improve the public healthcare system but that of course isn't happening.
If it was companies wouldn't be offering health benefits because no-one would bother to take them, BrewDog whatever their failing as an employer aren't the ones cutting NHS funding are they? nor are the people who sign up to these schemes.
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hiraethified
So you don't think multi-million pound multinational companies signing up their staff to private healthcare deals has any negative impact on the NHS? They could, for example, donate that money to the NHS instead, but they'd rather propagate a system that punishes the poor and puts the privileged at the front of the queue.
Fuck the poor - we've got private healthcare!
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You see no impact from private for profit companies siphoning off clients - and therefore political support and a role in maintaining those services, those jobs - on the public health service? None at all? Yet you're a fully grown adult who can think of two things at once and how they interact and impact on each other in other situations.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
They could but they won't because there is nothing in it for them since the main reason they offer it is has a benefit to attract (and keep) staff, A better solution would be for govenment to tax private healthcare and use that money to fund the NHS but again neither of the main parties have that in their manifesto so not likely to happen soon.
The rich and privileged can get to the front of the queue by just paying out of pocket so again why are you opposed to companies (admittedly for purely selfish reasons) giving ordinary working class people some of the benefits of being rich?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Labour does.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
I stand corrected and that is an excellent reason to vote for them.
Yes
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
I will try to do the same as well editor.
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hiraethified
Because I want a decent health service for all, not the queue-jumping rich or the microscopic handful of supposed 'ordinary working class people' who happen to work for multi-millionaire, PR-manipulating companies like Brewdog.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Wrong.
Even at times when the NHS has been on better funding terms, some people - not just the posh and/or the wealthy - chose to go private.
As for Brewdog not cutting NHS funding, what effect do you think tax minimisation by the two twats in charge, or the multi-corp that's bought into the business, has?
ffsear
Well-Known Member
Doesn't private health care take people out of the NHS system, even though they still pay into it ?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What does that entail politically? In terms of the construction of and maintenance of common shared interests centred on collective provision of health care?
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hiraethified
It certainly takes nurses and trained staff out of the NHS system.
Health service 'haemorrhaging' nurses
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It blows it away doesn't it? And therefore should be named clearly and publicly and opposed.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Good answer much better than your earlier ones, so you oppose it on grounds of principle? I too want a fully funded NHS free and adequate for all (and taxing private healthcare schemes are a good way to help fund it) but until we have one, companies will offer private healthcare as a benefit to attract staff (much like a subsidisied shop), currently about 4 million people are in company healthcare schemes though I (and I imagine you) are not.
I don't however begrudge people for taking the chance to get something they feel they can benefit from even though I personally am not in a position to do so.
If the NHS is properly funded then some people may very well chose to pay themselves more fool them paying for something that's free. My previous employer offered private health insurance I didn't take it not out of any idealogical reason but because my wife and I decided that for a family of six all in excellent health it wasn't worth £100+ a month.
BrewDog (I'll your take your word for it they're twats, I've never even tried their beers) aren't responsible for cutting NHS funding, they may very well be responsible for tax dodging but it is the Govt that isn't pursuing them (and others) for it and using shortage of money has an excuse for all sorts of cuts.
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Me too.
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