Brazil votes in far right fascist Jair Bolsonaro
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hitmouse
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Anyway, here's an anarchist analysis that's critical of Lula and the PT while recognising the vital importance of defeating Bolsonaro and the forces he represents:
crimethinc.com
Complete with a nice photo of antifascist football fans showing off trophies taken from the Bolso lot after fucking up their blockade:
Left Electoralism, Fascist Direct Action, and Anti-Fascist Resistance
The 2022 elections in Brazil offer a glimpse of the future as the far right reorganizes itself while the institutional left continues to bet on a collapsing social order.
hitmouse
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Oops, have now fully caught up with this thread and seen that 39th beat me to posting that picture. But it's a good one and worth posting twice.
Anyway, this has very little to do with the actual subject, but it's not every day you get an opportunity to out-pedant Pickman's:
And indeed Fisher's famous spooky dracula article:
www.opendemocracy.net
Anyway, this has very little to do with the actual subject, but it's not every day you get an opportunity to out-pedant Pickman's:
Poor choice of example, see for instance:
Anarchists and Neo-anarchists: Horizontalism and Autonomous Spaces
This is the second in a series of articles by Matt Crossin, ‘Critical Notes on Developments in the Anarchist Movement’. New articles in the series will be published in coming weeks. It is not uncom…
www.redblacknotes.com
Neo-Anarchism: the Reformist Alternative
www.notbored.org
Exiting the Vampire Castle
We need to learn, or re-learn, how to build comradeship and solidarity instead of doing capital’s work for it by condemning and abusing each other. This doesn’t mean, of course, that we must always agree – on the contrary, we must create conditions where disagreement can take place without fear...
www.opendemocracy.net
It's not identical wording, but I think the distinction between classical and contemporary anarchism used by people like Gordon and Grubacic serves much the same purpose. I'll admit that I don't think I've spotted quasi-anarchism in the wild, but can completely believe someone might use it to describe, for instance, the Zapatistas, late Bookchin, Rojava or their various admirers.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It isn't me you should be seeking to out-pedant but the neo- or ultra-pedants like maomao who take pedantry to heights I could never aspire to. I'm at best a quasi-pedant these daysOops, have now fully caught up with this thread and seen that 39th beat me to posting that picture. But it's a good one and worth posting twice.
Anyway, this has very little to do with the actual subject, but it's not every day you get an opportunity to out-pedant Pickman's:
Poor choice of example, see for instance:
Anarchists and Neo-anarchists: Horizontalism and Autonomous Spaces
This is the second in a series of articles by Matt Crossin, ‘Critical Notes on Developments in the Anarchist Movement’. New articles in the series will be published in coming weeks. It is not uncom…www.redblacknotes.comAnd indeed Fisher's famous spooky dracula article:Neo-Anarchism: the Reformist Alternative
www.notbored.org
Exiting the Vampire Castle
We need to learn, or re-learn, how to build comradeship and solidarity instead of doing capital’s work for it by condemning and abusing each other. This doesn’t mean, of course, that we must always agree – on the contrary, we must create conditions where disagreement can take place without fear...
It's not identical wording, but I think the distinction between classical and contemporary anarchism used by people like Gordon and Grubacic serves much the same purpose. I'll admit that I don't think I've spotted quasi-anarchism in the wild, but can completely believe someone might use it to describe, for instance, the Zapatistas, late Bookchin, Rojava or their various admirers.
This is a translation of an article by Proletario Harto De Serlo who are a libertarian communist group in Ecuador -
Text by Proletarios hartos de serlo (Quito. Ecuador)
Brazil. Lula's third presidential victory, nothing to celebrate!
Capitalism, even if it dresses up as left-wing capitalism remains capitalism!
Brazil. Lula's third presidential triumph, nothing to celebrate! Capitalism, even if it dresses up as leftist capitalism stays. 314022705_614689840459397_7496659091782832596_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=QT-AQNdkSIgAX-fux1k&tn=jMIW2uw3tsvGAndp&_nc_ht=scontent-mad1-1
Yes: capitalism, even if it dresses up as leftism, remains capitalism. Because it is not a mode of state administration, but a mode of production and social reproduction in which the bourgeoisie - with its state - exploits, dominates, divides, represses and co-opts the proletariat. Therefore, "the Left in power" is nothing more than the Left of Capital or, in other words, the Left Tentacle of the Capitalist Counterrevolution, in Brazil and all over the world.
The State is NOT neutral: it is the State of Capital, a social relation personified by the business or employer class, which lives and governs at the expense of the exploitation of the working class. And just as the managers of a company are not the owners and bosses of the company, so it does not matter who temporarily manages the state institutions; in this case, it can even be progressive or leftist politicians and trade unionists, like Lula. What really matters is that this structure of concentrated power of Capital which is the State is maintained, on the material basis of its relations of production and property; therefore, on the basis of the production of value and surplus value (contained in commodities) by the proletarian class and the accumulation of capital by the bourgeois class.
That is why, on the one hand, "the worker president" Lula and his party colleague "the ex-guerrilla president" Rousseff have negotiated/pact and will negotiate/will negotiate/pact
with big national (Petrobras, Electrobras, Itaú Unibanco Holding, etc.) and international (IMF, WB, Volkswagen, etc.) businessmen, in addition to the "corruption scandals" (for which Lula went to jail). On the other hand, there have been and will be protests against him by urban and rural workers and communities (protests against the increase in the price of public transport, protests against the World Cup, teachers, steel workers, favela, hacienda and jungle dwellers, etc.). In a country as gigantic as Brazil, the former is counted in hundreds of billions of dollars; the latter in millions of protesters repressed, imprisoned and even killed by the police. The accumulation of capital and power is stained, not only with sweat, but with proletarian blood. This has not happened and will not happen without class struggle.
All this has taken place, not only in Bolsonaro's right-wing "fascist" government, but also in the left democratic governments of Lula and Rousseff. And in the 3rd Lula government that is starting right now, similar things will happen and even worse. Because left and right are NOT opposites: they are complementary and alternating in the administration of the state, the economy, the crisis and the capitalist counter-revolution. Left and right are two political and ideological tentacles of the same predatory kraken of proletarianised humanity and nature. More clearly: "left and right, the same shit" with different flies. Because democracy in reality is a covert bourgeois dictatorship or the social and invisible dictatorship of the owners/exploiters over the dispossessed/exploited. Because whoever wins the elections or whoever governs, the proletariat always loses, because it has to keep getting up every morning to go to work, to be exploited, to earn some money and thus to survive or not to die. It has to keep on working and paying to live precariously, endlessly like the hamster wheel, since everything it produces with its hands and brains does not belong to it or is alien to it. Meanwhile, the bourgeois right and left - mafias included - continue to choke on food and drugs in their luxurious mansions, which are built by miserable bricklayers who work themselves to death as in the song "Construction" by Chico Buarque.
As for the "social policies" or social assistance programmes of the Lula and Rousseff governments ("zero hunger", "bolsa familia", etc.) they were nothing more than that: welfare, charity or crumbs of social wealth in order not to affect, cover up and even legitimise capitalist exploitation, domination and repression. That is, the democratic state gave "carrots" to the proletariat, while the bourgeoisie continued to exploit it in the workplace (formal and informal) and accumulate capital on a daily basis. And while the police and the army continued to "hunt down" and exterminate surplus proletarians or proletarians without work or a future in the factories.
inter-rev.foroactivo.com
Text by Proletarios hartos de serlo (Quito. Ecuador)
Brazil. Lula's third presidential victory, nothing to celebrate!
Capitalism, even if it dresses up as left-wing capitalism remains capitalism!
Brazil. Lula's third presidential triumph, nothing to celebrate! Capitalism, even if it dresses up as leftist capitalism stays. 314022705_614689840459397_7496659091782832596_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=QT-AQNdkSIgAX-fux1k&tn=jMIW2uw3tsvGAndp&_nc_ht=scontent-mad1-1
Yes: capitalism, even if it dresses up as leftism, remains capitalism. Because it is not a mode of state administration, but a mode of production and social reproduction in which the bourgeoisie - with its state - exploits, dominates, divides, represses and co-opts the proletariat. Therefore, "the Left in power" is nothing more than the Left of Capital or, in other words, the Left Tentacle of the Capitalist Counterrevolution, in Brazil and all over the world.
The State is NOT neutral: it is the State of Capital, a social relation personified by the business or employer class, which lives and governs at the expense of the exploitation of the working class. And just as the managers of a company are not the owners and bosses of the company, so it does not matter who temporarily manages the state institutions; in this case, it can even be progressive or leftist politicians and trade unionists, like Lula. What really matters is that this structure of concentrated power of Capital which is the State is maintained, on the material basis of its relations of production and property; therefore, on the basis of the production of value and surplus value (contained in commodities) by the proletarian class and the accumulation of capital by the bourgeois class.
That is why, on the one hand, "the worker president" Lula and his party colleague "the ex-guerrilla president" Rousseff have negotiated/pact and will negotiate/will negotiate/pact
with big national (Petrobras, Electrobras, Itaú Unibanco Holding, etc.) and international (IMF, WB, Volkswagen, etc.) businessmen, in addition to the "corruption scandals" (for which Lula went to jail). On the other hand, there have been and will be protests against him by urban and rural workers and communities (protests against the increase in the price of public transport, protests against the World Cup, teachers, steel workers, favela, hacienda and jungle dwellers, etc.). In a country as gigantic as Brazil, the former is counted in hundreds of billions of dollars; the latter in millions of protesters repressed, imprisoned and even killed by the police. The accumulation of capital and power is stained, not only with sweat, but with proletarian blood. This has not happened and will not happen without class struggle.
All this has taken place, not only in Bolsonaro's right-wing "fascist" government, but also in the left democratic governments of Lula and Rousseff. And in the 3rd Lula government that is starting right now, similar things will happen and even worse. Because left and right are NOT opposites: they are complementary and alternating in the administration of the state, the economy, the crisis and the capitalist counter-revolution. Left and right are two political and ideological tentacles of the same predatory kraken of proletarianised humanity and nature. More clearly: "left and right, the same shit" with different flies. Because democracy in reality is a covert bourgeois dictatorship or the social and invisible dictatorship of the owners/exploiters over the dispossessed/exploited. Because whoever wins the elections or whoever governs, the proletariat always loses, because it has to keep getting up every morning to go to work, to be exploited, to earn some money and thus to survive or not to die. It has to keep on working and paying to live precariously, endlessly like the hamster wheel, since everything it produces with its hands and brains does not belong to it or is alien to it. Meanwhile, the bourgeois right and left - mafias included - continue to choke on food and drugs in their luxurious mansions, which are built by miserable bricklayers who work themselves to death as in the song "Construction" by Chico Buarque.
As for the "social policies" or social assistance programmes of the Lula and Rousseff governments ("zero hunger", "bolsa familia", etc.) they were nothing more than that: welfare, charity or crumbs of social wealth in order not to affect, cover up and even legitimise capitalist exploitation, domination and repression. That is, the democratic state gave "carrots" to the proletariat, while the bourgeoisie continued to exploit it in the workplace (formal and informal) and accumulate capital on a daily basis. And while the police and the army continued to "hunt down" and exterminate surplus proletarians or proletarians without work or a future in the factories.
Brasil. Tercer triunfo presidencial de Lula. ¡Nada que celebrar!. El capitalismo, aunque se vista de izquierda capitalismo se queda.
Texto de Proletarios hartos de serlo (Quito. Ecuador) [b]Brasil. Tercer triunfo presidencial de Lula. ¡Nada que celebrar!. El capitalismo, aunque se vista de i
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Sorry to dig this up but I actually think this is a very poor comparison. British fascists have never been in a position to even come close to being able to claim a general election victory for one thing.
I'd say its clear that Bolsanaro has much in common with fascists (and no doubt has some fascist allies) and he's clearly an ultra-nationalist (and ultra-nationalists are very authoritarian and conservative ofcourse) but that doesn't mean he's a fascist. I also don't consider the likes of Trump or DeSantis (or the vast majority of the Republican Party) to be fascists but certainly nationalists/ultra-nationalists, which is definitely still very shit and harmful.
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Sasaferrato
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And then voted him out again...
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Starry Wisdom
yeh that grating sound is you moving the goalposts. if you look back at what you said you'll find that you said nothing about general elections.
tim
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Most of them seem as Fascist or more Fascist than Mussolini in their rhetoric and policies.
Isn't he the benchmark?
My understanding is that fascists tend to have a dim view of democracy and elections. You'd have thought that if Bolsanaro was indeed a fascist then he'd atleast purspone any elections with 'emergency' powers and hey - maybe not allow any coz of an 'emergency'?
But hey maybe I'm missing something. But thats OK, I'm not obsessed with always being right like some people. Being wrong/making mistakes/not knowing some stuff is a way of learning and developing and is a natural and normal part of life innit.
And in any case, not all right wing dictatorships are actually fascist (if you ask me anyway). They can lack revolutionary palingenisis/rooted modernism.
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With Bolsonaro we're talking about the equivalent of a general election. The only british election in recent times I can think of where fascists did quite well was when the BNP got a million votes in the euro elections - but to me that didn't seem to really amount to much at all, or to really mean anything.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i answered the point you made, not the point you think you made or the point you wanted to make. for someone who's not obsessed with being right it's really very strange you resurrected this exchange so long after it happened and after declaring that you'd put me on ignore. it must have been really eating at you.
i'm really surprised you don't think the 1m vote for the bnp was consequential. if nick griffin hadn't been such a venal shit and if their money man hadn't thrown his toys out the pram the bnp fortunes over the past decade might have been very different.
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Its not been eating at me at all and I don't think my behaviour is that strange, its a point I wanted to raise a while back but forgot to. I took you off ignore coz I felt like giving you another chance.
You make an interesting point about the BNP, but ofcourse what happened happened and they kind of fizzled away from the scene, which in a sense is a spot of good luck I suppose (though we are still left with the venal shits of the present times).
Ultra-nationalism is extremely shit but is not necessarily fascism and I'm just wary of calling everything on the far right fascist thats all.
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pseudonarcissus
fluttering and dancing
Well, we seem to be moving in to the transition without any big issues. The military transition committee will be appointed when Lula gets home.
Life goes on, and today was cup final day. Yes, Taça das Favelas, and the Rio young ladies beat São Paulo .
The goal is at about 3:45 if you’re the impatient type.
Life goes on, and today was cup final day. Yes, Taça das Favelas, and the Rio young ladies beat São Paulo .
The goal is at about 3:45 if you’re the impatient type.
JimW
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Ongoing pro-Bolsonaro protests seem to be turning a bit more violent/desperate: Brazilian protests intensify; Bolsonaro stays silent
Yuwipi Woman
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This is interesting. I can't say I was expecting this. It looks like Bolsonaro has fled the country to avoid various investigations:
news.yahoo.com
What is it with people like Trump, Bolsonaro, and Tate? They all seem to be enamored with sports where people hit one another.
Jair Bolsonaro ditched the inauguration of Brazil's new president, fleeing to the home of an MMA fighter near Disney World: report
Instead of Bolsonaro, a garbage collector gave Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva the presidential sash during his inauguration, The New York Times reported.
What is it with people like Trump, Bolsonaro, and Tate? They all seem to be enamored with sports where people hit one another.
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magneze
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Supporters have just broken into the Congress:
todon.eu
Just been on the BBC too.
CrimethInc. Ex-Workers (@CrimethInc@todon.eu)
Attached: 1 video This footage shows Bolsonaro supporters breaking the windows of the National Congress in Brasilia and entering it. They have also invaded the Planalto Palace. Source: https://twitter.com/reporterenato/status/1612155259824087041
Just been on the BBC too.
magneze
🎧
Bolsonaro supporters storm Brazilian Congress
Police use tear gas in an attempt to repel protesters storming Congress in the capital, Brasília.
www.bbc.co.uk
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Wonder where they got that idea from?Supporters have just broken into the Congress:
CrimethInc. Ex-Workers (@CrimethInc@todon.eu)
Attached: 1 video This footage shows Bolsonaro supporters breaking the windows of the National Congress in Brasilia and entering it. They have also invaded the Planalto Palace. Source: https://twitter.com/reporterenato/status/1612155259824087041
Just been on the BBC too.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
personally i'm blaming nato
1%er
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if you want a live link here it is
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Translation of local reports
DF police officers abandon barrier and buy coconut water while protesters invade STF
BRASÍLIA – Even with the crisis installed in Praça dos Três Poderes, the Military Policy of the Federal District continues to allow demonstrators to move freely through the area, without any type of restriction. After extremists broke through the blockade and invaded the National Congress, the Federal Supreme Court and the Planalto Palace, part of the police abandoned the barriers and bought coconut water in front of the Nossa Senhora Aparecida Metropolitan Cathedral.
The Secretary of Public Security of the Federal District and former Minister of Justice, Anderson Torres, stated that "he has determined that all PM personnel act firmly to restore order with the utmost urgency". He added that “criminals will not go unpunished”. The secretary is not in the country – he went to Orlando (USA), where former president Jair Bolsonaro is also staying. The invaders are calling for the arrest of President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, intervention by the Armed Forces and Bolsonaro's return to power, even without support in the Constitution. Politicians criticized the Federal District government for not acting firmly against the extremist invaders. PT president Gleisi Hoffman said the DF government was “irresponsible”. “Governor and his security secretary, Bolsonarist, are responsible for what happens”, she said. Federal deputy Guilherme Boulos published a video in which police officers filmed the invasion of Congress instead of taking action. “DF PM absurdly allowed Bolsonaristas to enter the National Congress and approach the Planalto Palace. The coup plotters, with or without a uniform, must be held accountable and arrested!”, he wrote.
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DF is District Federal
PM is Polícia Militar
DF police officers abandon barrier and buy coconut water while protesters invade STF
BRASÍLIA – Even with the crisis installed in Praça dos Três Poderes, the Military Policy of the Federal District continues to allow demonstrators to move freely through the area, without any type of restriction. After extremists broke through the blockade and invaded the National Congress, the Federal Supreme Court and the Planalto Palace, part of the police abandoned the barriers and bought coconut water in front of the Nossa Senhora Aparecida Metropolitan Cathedral.
The Secretary of Public Security of the Federal District and former Minister of Justice, Anderson Torres, stated that "he has determined that all PM personnel act firmly to restore order with the utmost urgency". He added that “criminals will not go unpunished”. The secretary is not in the country – he went to Orlando (USA), where former president Jair Bolsonaro is also staying. The invaders are calling for the arrest of President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, intervention by the Armed Forces and Bolsonaro's return to power, even without support in the Constitution. Politicians criticized the Federal District government for not acting firmly against the extremist invaders. PT president Gleisi Hoffman said the DF government was “irresponsible”. “Governor and his security secretary, Bolsonarist, are responsible for what happens”, she said. Federal deputy Guilherme Boulos published a video in which police officers filmed the invasion of Congress instead of taking action. “DF PM absurdly allowed Bolsonaristas to enter the National Congress and approach the Planalto Palace. The coup plotters, with or without a uniform, must be held accountable and arrested!”, he wrote.
edit to add
DF is District Federal
PM is Polícia Militar
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Police are leading them out now in hand-cuffs
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