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Boris's ban on alcohol on London Transport (with poll)

What do you think of Boris's proposed ban on drinking on public transport?


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Didn't Boris Johnson vote against five year mandatory sentences for illegal firearm possession? I'd like to know why - hopefully because he thought it should be longer.
Much as I hate to credit Boris with any intelligence, it might have been because it was a shit idea, which is why the judiciary forced Blunkett to backtrack. So now we're left with a situation where minimum sentences are effectively only enforcable for those over 21, which may or may not have encouraged older criminals to get younger teens to hold the weapons. Make the age for minimum prison sentences lower and the kids holding the guns will just get younger. I've heard this from people in South London who think it's happening, but here's a related news link.
 
I don't think you're allowed to drink anything, alcoholic or not, on the bus for reasons of mess. But if you're subtle and well behaved I don't think you ever get told off.


Yes. I haven't had a beer on the tube for ages, but this does make me want to buy a 6 pack and go visit north London. :D

Shall we organise an U75 mass tube drinking expedition as soon as the new rule is introduced?
 
What's wrong with eating them...? They test lovely...! (A bit like vanilla custard) :D You buy the fruit in Chinatown, or handily (sealed) pods...
Test? What are they used to test?! Helmets? ;)

Personally not a fan of durian consumption, but perhaps this is mainly psychological after having to share a 4 hour bus journey with about 300 of them. And dried durian is the worst thing in the world. :(

Shall we organise an U75 mass tube drinking expedition as soon as the new rule is introduced?

:D I missed the circle line party - time for a mini one?
 
For gentlemen in the warmer weather, head to toe:

1. If you want to get ahead, get a hat. A good hat is elegant and gives practical protection from the sun. The Panama hat is a deserved classic, being lightweight and stylish. A good one will also roll for storage and transport. For a more casual look, a broad-brimmed canvas hat does the job (think cricket umpires). Stick to light solid colours. Avoid slogans, badges and logos. You're not playing sport. (Unless you are, in which case none of this applies.) Also avoid caps, especially baseball caps. Anything "zany" (unusual shapes or colour schemes). Going bare-headed in the street is unwise but don't wear the thing indoors.

2. A fine shirt is the cornerstone of any outfit. In warmer weather the shirt is even more prominent as its likely to be worn uncovered, so this is the time to invest in some good lightweight shirts for summer rather than slacken off into casual or "sporting" styles. Keep it light. No-one ever got turned away for wearing white. Avoid effeminate colours (pink and pastels).

A shirt is meant to fit. It's not a smock. If you're an unusual size, get one made to measure. Nothing looks worse than an extra half inch in the collar or on the sleeves.

Avoid short sleeves unless you're a pilot or a security guard. You probably wouldn't want to be mistaken for either.

Lightweight cotton, linen and silk/linen mixes are suitable for summer.

The collar should be open if the occasion is informal, or buttoned with a tie if not. If a tie is worn, do it properly - either properly tied around your closed collar or not at all. Avoid the slovenly look of a slackened tie and open collar.

Do I really need to say "tuck it in"? Probably.

There is never a good reason to wear a t-shirt. Vests are underwear.

To be continued...

I have to say that I think this should become part of a 'cut out and keep' guide to sartorial elegance. Most of these tips are spot on (although I disagree with the t-shirt bit, and promote the idea of wearing a thin cotton white t-shirt under a shirt).

I was in Paris the other week, and the difference between the average well heeled Parisian and the practiced slobby-scruffy look of the Londoner could not be more extreme. Have some pride in your appearance for Gods sake!
Didn't see any drinking or eating on the Metro there; don't think it's illegal, either.
 
The alternative is some kind of spartacus action where, for everyday tube journeys, you take with you an old gin / buckfast / whisky bottle filled with water, and sip from it. If everyone did this, they would never be able to tell who was actually drinking alcohol.

It would also be more environmentally friendly than buying botteld water, of course.
 
I think he's saying public drinking is OK when there's a profit to be made but scumbags doing it on the cheap must be stopped for the sake of capit...errr...society.

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that on long-haul transportation like planes or trains, there's a societal expectation that there will be alcohol, plus, the issues present with short-haul transportation and drinking, aren't there.
 
I wonder if the figures for domestic abuse, drunk driving, assault, and alcohol related hospital admissions went down in the same period or up?

I mean, are you saying that drinking went down because public drinking went down? Or did it just become less obvious?


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I think that drinking remained prevalent, but that these specific problems, ie those associated with public drinking, went down.
 
These are all specific details of particular instances. We have them too.

In the same way that we can only see Canada in a broad sense, so you can only see the UK from a general point of view.

Specifics are important.

It's hard to disagree with that.
 
No, that is not the problem. Very few americans.

And why single out the French Canadians? The English Canadians are just as bad. Please keep your prejudices out of it.

That was said with tongue in cheek. As I've said before, I have cousins who live in Montreal, who are the children of my mother's sister, and a French Canadian man.
 
I think what she was asking, is whether or not drinking is allowed on public transit outside of London.

buses say no in northampton, and no to food also. However sitting on the top deck and eating/drinking discreetly is tolerated.

Taxis sometimes let you, but not very often cause their not supposed to
 
- Ban stinky food on public transport, especially if it's not from Waitrose
- Ban shit public transport systems
- Ban ridiculous excuses for signal failures in places that I have never heard of, ten miles from my home, that affect my journey to work
- Try to actually stop people from taking hard drugs on buses (I want to see THAT one enforced)
 
I can't see the problem with someone like me who occasionally drinks a can of booze on the tube after a hard days work.

Boris, if you want to do something to improve the London underground might I suggest you look at the waste these papers produce..

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2007/dec/10/pressandpublishing.transportintheuk

Nine and a half tonnes of waste a day.

And this isn't coming from a Guardian reader, compare the environmental damage to someone enjoying a can after a days work.

Time to get your priorities right.
 
I think that drinking remained prevalent, but that these specific problems, ie those associated with public drinking, went down.

Yes, but what is your position on hats on the tube?

I would also like untethered's further opinion on proper summer clothing for public transport, come to think of it. One would not wish to wear anything that would invite excessive perspiration, to the disgust of one's fellow travellers. I had been considering a lightweight linen suit myself, which I think would not appear _too_ casual.
 
Dead Cat Bounce - I wonder why Ken didn't ban them (free papers) as most of them were against him. Last time I came up London one of the really noticable unpleasant changes was the number of people trying to give me free papers. The number outside Liverpool St station was absurd, it was like running an obsticle course trying to avoid them.
 
Yes, but what is your position on hats on the tube?

I would also like untethered's further opinion on proper summer clothing for public transport, come to think of it. One would not wish to wear anything that would invite excessive perspiration, to the disgust of one's fellow travellers. I had been considering a lightweight linen suit myself, which I think would not appear _too_ casual.

Don't forget your hat!
 
Yes, but what is your position on hats on the tube?.

Something tells me that untethered looks like Truman Capote.

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Havent read the thread, hope this hasnt been done already:

Work will also begin on installing airport-style hand-held scanners and knife arches in stations

What does this mean? Will everyone have to queue up to walk through one of those fucking annoying gates that detect your house-keys?

Surely that will take fucking ages? unless some sort of racial/social profiling is used....
 
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