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Boris's ban on alcohol on London Transport (with poll)

What do you think of Boris's proposed ban on drinking on public transport?


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Who am I hurting having my one can on the Bus? my fellow passangers never complain. The bus driver doesn't chuck me off. The sodding conductor doesn't even bat an eyelid.

Fellow passengers are probably too afraid to say anything for fear of being stabbed - people have been assaulted for far less.

The driver couldn't care less, and can't be bothered with the hassle. I reported someone smoking upstairs on the bus to a driver a while back and he just said "if you don't like it, get off and get the next bus" - despite the fact the guy was sitting under a £1000 fine sticker.

Conductors? Don't exist on most buses now.
 
So it's now within the remit of the Mayor of London to enforce a certain notion of 'decency' on the people of London?

What's he going to ban next - Women from wearing short skirts? People who pass the Port to the left?

You do realise this is music to untethered's ears, do you? He is man immune to reductio.
 
Oh absolutely. People hate having to be told to be considerate of others. They can't stand it.



There'll be no riot. I predict the workers ignoring the quiet can drinker and using the ban to eject the rowdy. Much as happens in my town.

The passangers aren't going to give a shit either I rckon
 
There are already laws against drunk and disorderly

There are no laws against tipsy and orderly

A single can on the tube will not get you drunk

Getting absolutely steaming and getting on the tube and causing a ruckus/fracas/brouhaha/rumpus is already illegal

Being stone cold sober and getting on the tube and causing a ruckus/fracas/brouhaha/rumpus is already illegal

What, exactly does this new law actually cover?
 
As per the comment above, I thought drinking was banned except in the buffet car.

If I'm wrong on that, consider this a graceful concession and let's chalk up "banning drinking on trains" as the next step forward.

No, let's not.

I have seen people get drunk and rowdy on trains, and unlike on the tube, on a long distance journey there's time enough for people to do so. But again, the vast majority of people who make trouble are drunk before they get on, and the vast majority of people who do have a drink on the train don't cause trouble. So why ban it?
 
So it's now within the remit of the Mayor of London to enforce a certain notion of 'decency' on the people of London?

What's he going to ban next - Women from wearing short skirts? People who pass the Port to the left?

This is the first really good news in a very long time. The tide is turning!

See my earlier posts on this thread if you're interested in finding out how to stay stylish and decent in the warm weather.
 
Fellow passengers are probably too afraid to say anything for fear of being stabbed - people have been assaulted for far less.


err, I live in Kettering not Mosside


The driver couldn't care less, and can't be bothered with the hassle. I reported someone smoking upstairs on the bus to a driver a while back and he just said "if you don't like it, get off and get the next bus" - despite the fact the guy was sitting under a £1000 fine sticker.

I get the impression you get a lot of short shrift in life
Conductors? Don't exist on most buses now.

they do on the x4 from northants to kettering.
 
Crisps? What do you think I am, some kind of peasant? Kebabs are Underground food, not stuffing crisps.

How awful.

Imagine a city free from "fast food". The smells, the litter, the garish facades, the dreadful public grazing, all gone.

Now imagine that this is actually possible, here in 21st Century London, if we have the will to make it happen.

Think big. Fortune favours the brave.
 
How awful.

Imagine a city free from "fast food". The smells, the litter, the garish facades, the dreadful public grazing, all gone.

Now imagine that this is actually possible, here in 21st Century London, if we have the will to make it happen.

Think big. Fortune favours the brave.


yeah, I like the dystopia we have now. Yours would be a nightmare
 
There are already laws against drunk and disorderly

There are no laws against tipsy and orderly

A single can on the tube will not get you drunk

Getting absolutely steaming and getting on the tube and causing a ruckus/fracas/brouhaha/rumpus is already illegal

Being stone cold sober and getting on the tube and causing a ruckus/fracas/brouhaha/rumpus is already illegal

What, exactly does this new law actually cover?

Nail on the head!! I think you should send that in an email to to the Mayor's office.

Also why can't the Ed's idea of having a petition on the downing street website go ahead? Does it break some T&C's?
 
I was always taught that they're ungrammatical, so they jar with me. But then, I'm a traditionalist who thinks grammar should be trendy. So there! :p :D
That's the point. The idea that it's a grammar thing is a myth.

Myth #1: Don’t Split an Infinitive.

“Split” all you want, because this old superstition has never been legit. Writers of English have been doing it since the 1300s.

Where did the notion come from? We can blame Henry Alford, a 19th-century Latinist and Dean of Canterbury, for trying to criminalize the split infinitive. (Latin, by the way, is a recurring theme in the mythology of English grammar.) In 1864, Alford published a very popular grammar book, A Plea for the Queen’s English, in which he declared that to was part of the infinitive and that the parts were inseparable. (False on both counts.) He was probably influenced by the fact that the infinitive, the simplest form of a verb, is one word in Latin and thus can’t be split. So, for example, you shouldn’t put an adverb, like boldly, in the middle of the infinitive phrase to go—as in to boldly go. (Tell that to Gene Roddenberry!)

Grammarians began challenging Alford almost immediately. By the early 20th century, the most respected authorities on English (the linguist Otto Jespersen, the lexicographer Henry Fowler, the grammarian George O. Curme, and others) were vigorously debunking the split-infinitive myth, and explaining that “splitting” is not only acceptable but often preferable. Besides, you can’t really split an infinitive, since to is just a prepositional marker and not part of the infinitive itself. In fact, sometimes it’s not needed at all. In sentences like “She helped him to write,” or “Jack helped me to move,” the to could easily be dropped.

But against all reason, this notorious myth of English grammar lives on—in the public imagination if nowhere else.

This wasn’t the first time that the forces of Latinism had tried to graft Latin models of sentence structure onto English, a Germanic language. Read on.

:p
 
Also why can't the Ed's idea of having a petition on the downing street website go ahead? Does it break some T&C's?

As I explained earlier, that website is only for petitions to central government.

This isn't a central government matter.
 
I live in Brixton. I thought this was "London and the South East"?

what so I'm not allowed an opinion:(


I still have to use the tube when I visit my family, which is fairly regular.

Theres wider issues at work here other than how it will affect me personaly.
 
Would you really need to drink on the tube? Most journeys aren't that long. It's not really on a par with a cross country rail journey where you'd have something to eat as well.

For me it would be on a par with drinking on a bus.. just wrong and a bit rude.
 
What, exactly does this new law actually cover?

Drinking alcohol on the tube, bus or trams. Redgardless of how sober or pissed you may be or how you conduct your self.

I would love to see the ban extended to eating and playing music too. Public transport in this city is filthy and a Far East style ban on eating & drinking would be a great help in cleaning it up.

Whilst I enjoy a beer on my way home from work now and again, I am rarely that desparate that I couldn't wait until I got where I was going.

Mind you I take the overground and that isn't covered by the ban :p
 
I hardly see how replacing all the "fast food" outlets with genuine restaurants and cafes would be a "nightmare". It would be a significant step towards restoring civilisation to London.


I don't object to that Untethered. It's about the least mental thing I've ever read from you. However given the sheer lunacy of most of your ideas, I'm suspicious.
 
really? cool!

BBC said:
That's why from 1 June the drinking of alcohol will be banned from the Tube, tram, bus, and Docklands Light Railway."

The ban on the London Overground will take longer, as Transport for London has to apply to the Department for Transport for permission to enforce the bar on the consumption of alcohol.

The ban on overground can't really work as many services have restaurant cars and bar cars. It would be very hard to legislate on length of journey.
 
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