Boris's ban on alcohol on London Transport (with poll)

[ajdown]

A lot of people work late shifts around the Docklands. Why shouldn't they be able to enjoy a can after work?

I wasn't aware that "consuming alcohol" was actually a fundamental human right.

If they can't wait till they get home, then they have a problem they need to address.

If they're working "too late" to go out and have a beer after work, then they need to look at changing their hours or their job if alcohol is more important to them than anything else.

Stopping alcohol on public transport is hardly comparable to 'no dogs, no blacks, no irish' is it?

 

[ajdown]

So do people sober up immediately they get onto to public transport...?

If it was up to me, I'd incorporate a breathalyser into the Oyster card reader, and ban drunks from travelling on public transport.

 

[ddraig]

I wasn't aware that "consuming alcohol" was actually a fundamental human right.

If they can't wait till they get home, then they have a problem they need to address.

If they're working "too late" to go out and have a beer after work, then they need to look at changing their hours or their job if alcohol is more important to them than anything else.

Stopping alcohol on public transport is hardly comparable to 'no dogs, no blacks, no irish' is it?

where the fuck do you people come from and what are you doing here???
genuine question

 

[DotCommunist]

If it was up to me, I'd incorporate a breathalyser into the Oyster card reader, and ban drunks from travelling on public transport.

If it was up to me you'd be in a siberian gulag

 

[jæd]

If it was up to me, I'd incorporate a breathalyser into the Oyster card reader, and ban drunks from travelling on public transport.

Yep, lets get them to drive home instead...!

 

[Crispy]

If it was up to me, I'd incorporate a breathalyser into the Oyster card reader, and ban drunks from travelling on public transport.

You'd rather they drive? Or sleep it off on the streets?

 

[ajdown]

where the fuck do you people come from and what are you doing here???
genuine question

I came from the result of my mummy and daddy having a 'special cuddle', then 9 months later the stork bought me and left me on the doorstep.

What am I doing here? Trying to bring some balance perhaps? Exercising my right to free speech and, as someone who is affected by the issue being discussed (and life will be improved by its implementation) I see no reason not to contribue to the discussion.

 

[rich!]

If it was up to me, I'd incorporate a breathalyser into the Oyster card reader, and ban drunks from travelling on public transport.

So you'd leave drunk people to walk home and be preyed on by unlicensed minicab drivers. Then when they were assaulted/raped it would be their fault for "drinking provocatively".

 

[STFC]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7387113.stm

"The ban on the Tube, trains, buses and Docklands Light Railway was one of Mr Johnson's election pledges."

Good. I don't have a problem with this:

Don Shenker, Chief Executive of Alcohol Concern, said: "Public drinking and the behaviour sometimes associated with it can, and does, deeply affect people's ability to enjoy public spaces.

"Taking a firm approach to public drinking in this way sends a strong message that public drunkenness is socially unacceptable."

People here are just focusing on not being able to enjoy a quiet can or two on the tube, but this is just one part of a wider strategy to curb anti-social behaviour on public transport. Surely nobody is against that?

Personally, I'd go further and ban all eating and drinking on the network.

 

[ajdown]

You'd rather they drive? Or sleep it off on the streets?

How about learning to enjoy themselves without needing alcohol? Half of the country's problems today are alcohol related.

It's just a pity that two of the most addictive and harmful drugs available today - alcohol and tobacco - aren't regulated more. I know they bring in tax to the government, but how much is that compared to what is wasted in the NHS dealing with medical issues caused by them?

 

[editor]

Sloane Square was a classic. It was built with a pub called Hole in the Wall. It closed in 1985.

I remember that bar!

 

[jæd]

I came from the result of my mummy and daddy having a 'special cuddle', then 9 months later the stork bought me and left me on the doorstep.

What am I doing here? Trying to bring some balance perhaps? Exercising my right to free speech and, as someone who is affected by the issue being discussed (and life will be improved by its implementation) I see no reason not to contribue to the discussion.

Tobyjug, how have you been...?

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Bit of a bummer. I like a glass of wine on a long journey or on a Friday on the way home from work (though I am cycling again now).

 

[DotCommunist]

Good. I don't have a problem with this:



People here are just focusing on not being able to enjoy a quiet can or two on the tube, but this is just one part of a wider strategy to curb anti-social behaviour on public transport. Surely nobody is against that?

Personally, I'd go further and ban all eating and drinking on the network.

why stop there! its only concious people that cause nuiscance. We should have gas masks on the tube, mandatory sleeping-gas producing ones. Then we'd employ ticket inspectors/ressuscitators.

 

[ajdown]

Tobyjug, how have you been...?

I think you must have me confused with someone else. This is my first ID here.

 

[STFC]

A lot of people work late shifts around the Docklands. Why shouldn't they be able to enjoy a can after work?I concur. It's a total waste of resources and money.

As I said, this was at 6pm. Whoever had been "enjoying a can" before I got on the train had just thrown it on the floor when they had finished.

 

[rutabowa]

Personally, I'd go further and ban all eating and drinking on the network.

i'd ban all eating and drinking anywhere. pussy.

 

[Giles]

If it was up to me, I'd incorporate a breathalyser into the Oyster card reader, and ban drunks from travelling on public transport.

Thus neatly countering the longstanding advice to use public transport rather than your car if you are going to be drinking. Useful!

Giles..

 

[Crispy]

How about learning to enjoy themselves without needing alcohol? Half of the country's problems today are alcohol related.

It's just a pity that two of the most addictive and harmful drugs available today - alcohol and tobacco - aren't regulated more. I know they bring in tax to the government, but how much is that compared to what is wasted in the NHS dealing with medical issues caused by them?

History shows that regulation and restriction have little effect on consumption of intoxicants. Check out prohibition america for the obvious example.

 

[pk]

As someone who has had more than one late night journey disrupted by people drunk and abusive on a bus... this can't come soon enough.

I get the feeling you're the type to get abused in public places regardless of drinking laws.

Didn't you used to post here under the name "tobyjug"?

 

[STFC]

i'd ban all eating and drinking anywhere. pussy.

You'd ban people from eating pussy? I agree it may not be appropriate on public transport...

 

[untethered]

It's just a pity that two of the most addictive and harmful drugs available today - alcohol and tobacco - aren't regulated more. I know they bring in tax to the government, but how much is that compared to what is wasted in the NHS dealing with medical issues caused by them?

Absolutely. Alcohol and tobacco need much greater regulation.

In the case of alcohol, our society has gone from one where it's acceptable to have a drink to one where for many people it's acceptable (indeed, usual) to be drunk.

That needs to change.

 

[rutabowa]

History shows that regulation and restriction have little effect on consumption of intoxicants. Check out prohibition america for the obvious example.

actually although prohibition is generally held to be a failure the figures show that the amount of alcohol-induced illnesses went down loads, i don't have the figures on me, but as a public health and order law it was actually very succesful. it was mainly repealed for tax reasons.

 

[rutabowa]

You'd ban people from eating pussy? I agree it may not be appropriate on public transport...

you have to entertain yourself some way if you can't drink

 

[DotCommunist]

actually although prohibition is generally held to be a failure the figures show that the amount of alcohol-induced illnesses went down loads, i don't have the figures on me, but as a public health and order law it was actually very succesful.

really? so there wasn't huge amounts of money made by gangsters smuggling booze?

 

[untethered]

History shows that regulation and restriction have little effect on consumption of intoxicants. Check out prohibition america for the obvious example.

Try being in a large group of drunks in the street in Riyadh, for an obvious example.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Absolutely. Alcohol and tobacco need much greater regulation.

In the case of alcohol, our society has gone from one where it's acceptable to have a drink to one where for many people it's acceptable (indeed, usual) to be drunk.

That needs to change.

You are talking absolute crap as usual. The British (and Londoners in particular) have a long history of drunken, often loutish, behaviour dating back many centuries.

 

[rutabowa]

really? so there wasn't huge amounts of money made by gangsters smuggling booze?

gangsters find ways to make money whatever the situation, it's not like they just gave up gangstering when prohibition was repealed/

 

[untethered]

You are talking absolute crap as usual. The British (and Londoners in particular) have a long history of drunken, often loutish, behaviour dating back many centuries.

These things go in cycles, as I'm sure you're aware.

It's undeniable that public drunkenness is a serious problem at present. Time to bring in more regulation as many people seem not to be able to exercise sufficient self-discipline for everyone else to comfortably enjoy the city.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

gangsters find ways to make money whatever the situation, it's not like they just gave up gangstering when prohibition was repealed/

Some did. Prohibition, be it of alcohol or other drugs, represents a major opportunity for gangster behaviour, which will expand to fill the space.

In the same way, spiv-style dodginess in the UK reduced when rationing ended.