BNP membership list has been put online.

[steve1971]

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[FridgeMagnet]

Apolitical priests nonsense.

That's like something Hitler would have said.

 

[longdog]

I found it

I won't say where as it seems there is an injunction but Google is your friend

 

[Darios]

BNP members from this list being harassed in their homes? No one has suggested such a thing? Some have pointed out it would be counter-productive?

Silly me. So the mention of dealing out a hiding in the context of a list of addresses now being available means nothing of the sort.

 

[Orang Utan]

There's someone with my name on that list but that's no surprise.
One member is a female resident of Saudi Arabia. WTF?

 

[audiotech]

Excel spreadsheet coming soon, just need to boot into windows.

Ask and ye shall receive

Darios that doesn't read "boot in their windows" btw.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I found it

I won't say where as it seems there is an injunction but Google is your friend

It isn't a huge challenge

As has been said, please don't post lists here or anything - if there is an injunction or anything like that, Urban is a big, easy, slow-moving target for lawyers. But, you know, this isn't a value judgement.

 

[Bakunin]

In other words - you're willing to become them to fight them.

GO TEAM!!!!!

You don't know very much about this sort of thing, do you? I'm well aware of the risk of becoming what I behold, thanks, and that isn't going to happen with me. If I didn't abhor everything they stand for then I wouldn't be willing to stand against them like this. You, on the other hand, seem perfectly happy to try and appease them in the hope that they'll go away when history quite clearly shows that they won't.

 

[butchersapron]

That's like something Hitler would have said.

It's worse that that.

 

[Darios]

As for "ex-C18 types", if there are any at all? I would think that after the recent bombs under the bed, child porn convictions of such a "type" recently the police have these "types" firmly in their sights?

MC I can confirm that there are such people still at large and - as some people have already noted on Urban, there is a substantial difference in the coverage said people have got relative to, for example, Islamist groups.

 

[Spion]

I won't say where as it seems there is an injunction but Google is your friend

As is Piratebay

 

[audiotech]

Silly me. So the mention of dealing out a hiding in the context of a list of addresses now being available means nothing of the sort.

Who mentioned about 'hiding'?

 

[teuchter]

'All victory involves an element of moral capitulation' - George Orwell.

And I think you'll find that Orwell knew a great deal about militant anti-fascism, given his experiences in Spain. It comes down to a choice, ultimately, between winning with what works or being happy to lose and keep your dogma. I'd rather defeat fascism than lose and say 'Oh well, at least we were good sports and nice about it.'

Yup, and the situation in November 2008 UK is of course directly comparable to the situation in late '30s Spain.

 

[Darios]

You don't know very much about this sort of thing, do you? I'm well aware of the risk of becoming what I behold, thanks, and that isn't going to happen with me. If I didn't abhor everything they stand for then I wouldn't be willing to stand against them like this. You, on the other hand, seem perfectly happy to try and appease them in the hope that they'll go away when history quite clearly shows that they won't.

No obviously not. Only over a decade of doorwork and hundreds of fights, and stopping some skinheads from doing the very same thing to some of you lot a few years ago. As a result I can't countenance you doing the same. But hey, I believe in consistency and integrity. I suppose you'll be on the frontline then Bakunin? Does the dole office know you're physically able to go out and have punch ups with your political opponents?

 

[audiotech]

MC I can confirm that there are such people still at large and - as some people have already noted on Urban, there is a substantial difference in the coverage said people have got relative to, for example, Islamist groups.

Oh yeah?

 

[teuchter]

Who mentioned about 'hiding'?

I wouldn't recommend or advise any 'free and frank exchange of views' with anyone on that list until they've been properly checked to see if they are indeed current members of the BNP.

Even once they've been verified, I'd go after the hardcore organisers and regular activists for maximum effect, rather than just ticking off names. I don't have a problem with targetting specific and proven fascists for a good hiding in principle, but I'd like to see anyone using the info for that purpose going about it in a sensible manner.

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[butchersapron]

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...and what else did he say toosh?

 

[audiotech]

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I get the distinct impression you're the provocateur here?

 

[Bakunin]

Yup, and the situation in November 2008 UK is of course directly comparable to the situation in late '30s Spain.

Orwell was referring to conflict in general, IIRC, and I don't recall saying anywhere that 'the situation in November 2008 uk is of course directly comparable to the situation in 1930's Spain' so you may be guilty of trying to put words into my mouth there.

No obviously not. Only over a decade of doorwork and hundreds of fights, and stopping some skinheads from doing the very same thing to some of you lot a few years ago. As a result I can't countenance you doing the same. But hey, I believe in consistency and integrity. I suppose you'll be on the frontline then Bakunin? Does the dole office know you're physically able to go out and have punch ups with your political opponents?

I'm not physically up to fights, but I'll be happy to help gather information and plan actions as and when I can. I can fit that in around my other work if need be. I'm perfectly happy to do what I can, when and where I can, yes.

 

[Darios]

Right, well I suppose this gets bookmarked as another "Urban 75 classic" thread, and when people ask me what the "left" in the UK is all about, I'll happily point them to this thread...

From one Marxist to another:
"....these are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others..."
- Groucho Marx.

 

[mauvais]

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[_pH_]

just 'found' this list and C&P'd to OO. 2598 pages!!

hilarious though

 

[audiotech]

Right, well I suppose this gets bookmarked as another "Urban 75 classic" thread, and when people ask me what the "left" in the UK is all about, I'll happily point them to this thread...

From one Marxist to another:
"....these are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others..."
- Groucho Marx.

But this isn't 'the left in the UK'.

 

[netbob]

map of 1000 random members (checked before posting):

more english than british ...

 

[free spirit]

well personally I see the list as a bit of an insurance policy in case things do start to get out of hand at any point.

plus I never knew the top boy for the north east bnp lived a hundred yards from my old flat... could have posted him his stickers back once I'd ripped them down after they'd been out stickering or something... would have amused me anyway.

sure there'll be other uses for it too without using violence.

 

[teuchter]

...and what else did he say toosh?

Some stuff that contradicts, in my opinion, the suggestion that he doesn't have a problem with certain people being given a "good hiding". Of course, this comes down to a difference of opinion about what is sensible. In any case I was simply answering the question asked by MC5.

 

[_pH_]

'Former GMB shop steward'

How nice!

 

[Bakunin]

Right, well I suppose this gets bookmarked as another "Urban 75 classic" thread, and when people ask me what the "left" in the UK is all about, I'll happily point them to this thread...

From one Marxist to another:
"....these are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others..."
- Groucho Marx.

In other words, you don't have an answer so you're going to make snide little digs in the hope that I'll start frothing at the mouth and banging on about armed struggle and a campaign of indiscriminate bloodshed. Not going to work, I'm afraid.

I see a place for properly planned and organised militant anti-fascism, yes. But the emphasis is on the 'properly planned and organised' part, not some wild campaign of kicking arses unless there's a definite strategic and tactical gain to be made from it.

And I make no apologies for that.

 

[audiotech]

map of 1000 random members (checked before posting):

more english than british ...

Any chance of one to scale?

 

[Darios]

In other words, you don't have an answer so you're going to make snide little digs in the hope that I'll start frothing at the mouth and banging on about armed struggle and a campaign of indiscriminate bloodshed. Not going to work, I'm afraid.

Answer for what exactly?

You chaps have already shown yourselves up for what you are....