BNP membership list has been put online.

[belboid]

That assumes that the poster on NWN, who the quote is from, doesn't know the area he lives in and that butchersapron knows the area better?

tish and tosh. you're not really trying to argue such rubbish are you? i suspect that both you and the poster on NWN are saying that for the same reason - because you want to maximise the numbers who seem to have left. hence, you both claim that one area where about half have left is 'probably' about average. whereas anyone with half a brain will know that extrapolating national stats from those of a single town is very very silly indeed.

How many members listed from the whole of Sheffield though?

mm, you dont understand stats do you? this is becoming obvious. there are about 140/150 members listed as sheff - of which a mere 2 are listed as lapsed/not renewing etc. One of them made a big fuss about leaving, and moved to the right. The other one hasn't left a new address, tho he might still be paying subs on DD, so it could only be one person leaving! If we extrapolate from that to the whole of the country, that makes about 13,500 BNP members. Fortunately I wouldn't be so daft as to do that

 

[teuchter]

It is also incredible how many of those who bleat constantly about intrusion of privacy, personal dat, are so quick to abandon principles.

Yup.

 

[TomPaine]

I presume though blogs etc. would claim the same though, since they would be classed as Indy media?
Also wouldn't the prosecutors have to prove that the list stolen was identicle to the list(s) being circulated now between the MSM, Indy Media and various groups? Especially if a lot of these peoples details are already in the public domain i.e. those who have stood in elections?

TomPaine

 

[free spirit]

I reckon this one'll not be renewing her membership...

Request for absolute confidentiality

 

[lewislewis]

OK so the list has gone down now off the site I was reading, but a comment on NWN says '2 Scottish Premier footballers' are BNP members. Does anyone have any idea whom? Concerned it could affect the whole anti-racism drive in football at the moment.

 

[treelover]

I can't fucking believe people on Indymedia are reposting details of BNP members children, what sort of people are they?

 

[frogwoman]

i do have a few problems with this especially if names and addresses of peoples family members etc are being put online, and if it got into my hands i wouldn't have leaked it but if you're part of an organisation like that, you probably (although not always) know from the start there will be some real psychos there and the far right movement is riven with feuds, there are always people up for doing this sort of thing (or worse) so no real sympathy for them tbh

 

[cybertect]

Obtaining information unlawfully disclosed is an offence.

S55 of the Data Protection Act 1998

S77 of the Criminal Justics & Immigration Act 2008 amends the 1998 Act to make it an imprisonable offence.

Making use of the leaked data might draw unwarranted attention

 

[frogwoman]

I can't fucking believe people on Indymedia are reposting details of BNP members children, what sort of people are they?

yeah - but don't forget it might not have been anti-fash who leaked it but fash who are pissed off with the BNP for whatever reason (and god knows there are a lot of them about)

 

[steve1971]

"Discretion required re. employment concerns Police officer"

"Discretion requested (employment concerns) Government employee. IT consultant"

ooops

 

[frogwoman]

i can see this backfiring to be honest might even have been a deliberate ploy to boost sympathy

 

[treelover]

Filed under: BNP, anti-fascist — Andy Newman @ 9:10 pm

Many of you will be aware that the entire BNP membership list has been pasted on-line. This gives names, and addresses, telephone numbers and e-mail addresses, and even lists hobbies. Activists are clearly marked to distinguish them from paper members. Unfortunately it also includes the ages of young members under eighteen years old. For several reasons, I will not be permitting any comments on this blog that give a link to this data, nor that quote from it. Firstly, this information can only be in the public domain through a breach of the data protection act, and I need to protect this web-site from any legal complications.

But more importantly, I have myself had my name and address published on the Stormfront Nazi web-page, and it is an intimidating and disturbing experience. My sympathy for BNP members is very limited, but the left should not stoop to personal intimidation of those we oppose politically.

There is also a very real political problem with any temptation towards vigilante action against BNP supporters. The list shows that BNP members are pretty much ordinary people, many of them living in working class communities; they may have wrong and even dangerous political ideas, but they are still people not monsters. Any attempt to intimidate or harass them will only increase sympathy for them and their ideals among their friends, work-colleagues and neighbours. The sad truth is that some BNP policies are broadly popular with large numbers of working class people, we have to combat those ideas, while accepting that many otherwise decent people currently give half an ear to the BNP.

As it stands, the leak of this information is a devastating blow to the BNP. Many members will be furious, in some cases their work may be jeopardised, in other cases they may feel that they, or their children, have been Put at risk. the left needs to take a responsible stand - let the BNP fight among themselves, but we should in no way encourage any intimidation or harassment of BNP members.

http://socialistunity.com/
from the Socialist Unity website, bit surprising, though like some others he has been 'outed ' and knows how devastating it can be

 

[frogwoman]

hence why i said - this might not be what it appears

 

[belboid]

Would viewing a registered site on the web though be a breach of this? If so it would appear that the Times are in trouble.

TomPaine

almost definitely not. certainly wouldn't be prosecutable, far far too many reasons why anyone could claim to have come across the site without 'knowingly' looking for an accurate list of names and addresses.

I presume though blogs etc. would claim the same though, since they would be classed as Indy media?
Also wouldn't the prosecutors have to prove that the list stolen was identicle to the list(s) being circulated now between the MSM, Indy Media and various groups? Especially if a lot of these peoples details are already in the public domain i.e. those who have stood in elections?

TomPaine

blogs probably wouldn't, tho it might be an interesting test case. 'identicality' would make no difference as there would still be an overwhelming majority of the same info involved. technically a single correct name and adress from the list would be enough for a prosecution, if it could be proved it came from the same 'master' list. the existence of some of the names being already in the public domain would also make no difference, as this wasn't a list of candidates, and there are other names included.

a strict enforcement of the law would mean that anyone who has asked for, or offered to send, e-mails of the list would be prosecutable tho

 

[cybertect]

I presume though blogs etc. would claim the same though, since they would be classed as Indy media?
Also wouldn't the prosecutors have to prove that the list stolen was identicle to the list(s) being circulated now between the MSM, Indy Media and various groups? Especially if a lot of these peoples details are already in the public domain i.e. those who have stood in elections?

TomPaine

I imagine that demonstrating that obtaining the lists was in the public interest would be harder for them to show, given their nature.

Those people whose names are already in the public domain aren't going to be attracting attention - the 'interest' (in the broadest sense) in this list is in those whose names and personal details aren't in the public domain - footballers, witches, serving police officers, etc.

I think they could make it stick as far as showing that it's the same data; there's plenty of precedent with database copying cases.

 

[TomPaine]

Those kids details shouldn't have been added to that website, although I don't know if that would have made much of a difference judging by the Indymedia article and according to the Times article it has been on the go since Monday?

TomPaine

 

[frogwoman]

is the full list still online?

 

[TomPaine]

a strict enforcement of the law would mean that anyone who has asked for, or offered to send, e-mails of the list would be prosecutable tho

That is interesting, as obviously people have posted it all over the web and of course the mainstream news paper articles have alerted peoples attentions to it, so people are naturally going to be inclined to be nosey and go search/ask for it.

TomPaine

 

[TomPaine]

is the full list still online?

Not sure to be honest. It was linked on a certain independent media website earlier today, but whether they have since taken it down I don't know.
However its content had been quoted under the article in various cases, which I presume they probably have removed.

TomPaine

 

[soulman]

I don't see what all the fuss is about. I reckon any political party that stands in elections should have to make available their membership list and financial backers.

 

[ska invita]

is the full list still online?

the torrent is loose

 

[cybertect]

I don't see what all the fuss is about. I reckon any political party that stands in elections should have to make available their membership list and financial backers.

legal points

1) The List was already subject of a High Court Injunction in April barring its use.

2) The data was (presumably) collected from the members for the purposes of administration of the party. In many cases that was plainly collected with a specific condition of confidentiality. Data Protection Act comes into force.

release into wild => fuss

 

[lizzieloo]

This thread is waaaay to long for me to read all of it at this time of night and I expect it's been posted before but check out The Register's report, there is a link in there to horrified BNP members comments

I'm also on the list, what the fuck is going on? I could lose my job

Fuck me, the reds have the list now.

The quotes go on later in this vein

Awesome. Just awesome. Finally, you retards are getting what's coming to you.

 

[TomPaine]

1) The List was already subject of a High Court Injunction in April barring its use.

In which case, since the Times admit in their article to ringing people up on the list and publishing some of its details surely they will get fucked over this? I can imagine Joe Blogs who now has a blog article taking the piss out of the local BNP member who has a hobby like may pole dancing isn't going to be aware of that court action, but the Guardian and Times, well you would have thought they knew better?

TomPaine

 

[treelover]

It's not as if they are hard to spot anyway.
Now, someone leak the freemasons list, that would be much much more interesting. Tim#3

this one is pretty sharp, I too would like to see the Free Masons membership'

 

[soulman]

Sure I understand the legal aspects. But I'm expressing my opinion that any of these parties or groups who use the electoral system, big or small, left, right or anything else should have to make available details of their membership, financial backers and so on.

 

[lizzieloo]

Found it, didn't take very long.

 

[belboid]

but one day, it may be the left who are the victims of such leaks and 'identified'

'one day'?? it already has happened and does happen, why say anything otherwise?

It is also incredible how many of those who bleat constantly about intrusion of privacy, personal dat, are so quick to abandon principles.

where is the hypocrisy? spell it out. i see no explicit hypocrisy here at all. as with any other leak, i would expect those who are 'victims' to complain as forcefully as possible to the relevant organisation, that the Data Controller be removed from post, and that the organisation doing the leaking should be strongly reprimanded in ny way the law dictates. those reprinting the leaks must also be aware of the risk that they would be placing themselves under in doing so, and they must also be prepared to face those consequences. if not, they were very, very silly. tho i might well support them on a plea of genuine public interest, as i would with various other examples of such leaks

However, now it is out it will undoubtedly be a useful tool for anti-facists and strategy such as it is.... btw, it doesnn't mean that i wouldn't have welcomed the info, just maybe not done it this way.

which would make you just as much of a hypocrite as those you just condemned.

 

[treelover]

No it doesn't, i would think long and hard about putting info that meant people lost jobs in the public domain, you on the other hand come across like all Trots as someone who will say, the end always justifies the means'

 

[Fingers]

Blogspot have just taken it down.