BNP leader faces jail!!

[danny la rouge]

Even an idiot should be able to see that.

...if not spell it.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Worried? Worried about what? It's a bloody bulletin board. What's more A bulletin board that I barely post on.

Except to interject your pointless smears,

As well documented in their obsession with SW on here, SW advise members not to get involved in such 'sect' boards. Becoming retired from activity in SW several years ago, I ignored the advice out of the curiosity about what made the 'sects' tick. IN MY OPINION I wasted too much time, as they are sects. So lets me make this very clear, I am no longer attempting to debate you butch etc. No longer have any interest in doing so, as I have made clear to Mr. A several times in this thread.

So why engage at all, rather than engaging in what is clearly a way that is ideologically-biased toward the views of your former comrades?

Next, I rarely ever did respond to Pick, because his bulletin board persona is more ludicrously caricature than Butcher's, and believe me that takes some doing. If these two people talk the way they do on this bulletin board in real life, I would be flabbergasted if they didn't constantly walk around with black eyes or were locked up.

Some people are more tolerant of fools than others. there's a shock!

Next, if you wish to drag out old threads, do so. I honestly don't care. As far as I'm concerned...

So why keep bringing it up, every single time you get in a strop or someone disagrees with you?

...what you and several other people said about SW/CC was ludicrous conspiracy theory.

Mmmm, because it's conspiracy theory to think that politicians might not have the best interests of the people at heart, especially when those politicians practice an odd form of internal "democracy" that boils down to top-down diktat.

That's my honest opinion. And it wasn't just those threads, the conspiracy theorist tendencies seap through in many threads.

You make the claim, it's only right you should provide some proof.

I realise my pointing this has offended you, and I think I did apologise at the time for that, because the rest of the time, when you're not upset, you are one of the best posters on here.

I'm really not bothered about being offended. I'm bothered about the fact that parts of what's loosely termed "the left" are still more interested in issues of power and control than in genuine cohesion. This is why I dislike party politics - issues tend to move from the substantive to those that concentrate on the perpetuation of party far too quickly and easily for my liking. We shouldn't have to worry about UAF or Searchlight trying to control the direction and energy of anti-fascism, but as long as their strategies don't reflect accurately the concerns of communities but rather the concerns of the commenterati, then any possibility of a united front against the BNP, to defeat them even (and possibly especially) on their own terms (i.e. in electoral politics and in communities where they're using local issues around employment and housing as levers), then little will happen, not least because advocation of a vote for new labour or any mainstream political party is a strategy that perpetuates those employment and housing issues.

I will say one thing about the topic of thread. I have no problems whatsoever with the approach you an Butch have to opposing fascism. I seriously and genuinely wish it every success. I am just not convinced, because of the lack of evidence, that it is thre only approach that can be taken, and that people should to "give up anti-fascism".

The only thing I advocate exclusively is taking anti-fascism seriously, not just viewing it as an interesting adjunct to class and race politics in general. I've never preached "do as I do". I've only ever preached "for fuck's sake inform yourself before sounding off or you'll be ineffective in your endeavours".
Unfortunately, too many people are still happy to run with just waving placards and calling people Nazis as their contribution to anti-fascism rather than looking at cause and effect, and trying to understand and deal with them.

 

[TremulousTetra]

A smear is an undeserved attack on the character of a poster. Calling you an idiot is merely a statement of fact, especially when prefaced with the word "useful".

Calling you a conspiracy theorist is a statement of fact, of my opinion of your comments. Your opinion of idiocy is equality subjective.

The irony lies in someone who spends a lot of their time attempting to put across a partisan POV, to the exclusion of meaningful debate, calling someone else a "control freek" [sic]

But I don't. Point to where I do that.

I certainly made plain my belief that the position on most things of SW was correct imo some time ago, for a good while, but whether it was as you describe control freak, is debatable.

So even if I was as you described, I don't do it now, and so you are wrong about my comment.

Whereas you an Butch have 100,000 post between you. And don't seem able not to have something to say, even when it makes you look quite sectarian and stupid, ie here.
I wanted to create a thread, that wasn't a debate about how people oppose the fascists, but was a resource for people to use how they will. I thought it could be a thread where people could add links to pictures, videos, speeches, documentaries, journals that delineate something about the neo fascist nature of the fascist parties of Britain.
I mean, I didn't mind your posts, they bumped the thread, but the point was what? Certainly nothing was raised that hadn't been raised a 1000 times before. Butchers doesn't seem able to agree to disagree on a fraternal basis. a bit ocd.

And then there's the accusation that I am manipulating Mr. A. rofl.

 

[Pickman's model]

I wanted to create a thread, that wasn't a debate about how people oppose the fascists, but was a resource for people to use how they will. I thought it could be a thread where people could add links to pictures, videos, speeches, documentaries, journals that delineate something about the neo fascist nature of the fascist parties of Britain.

you mean you started a thread here in the full knowledge that you didn't have any ability to control what people posted on it, people said things you didn't like, and you got the hump.

now, returning rather wearily to the allegations of conspiraloonery, i see you appear unable to provide any of the considerable evidence you claim there is.

at this point an apology from you would be in order

 

[Pickman's model]

saying sorry shouldn't be the hardest thing for you, rmp3. after all, you must be used to it by now.

 

[TremulousTetra]

Except to interject your pointless smears,

Pointless yes.

So why engage at all, rather than engaging in what is clearly a way that is ideologically-biased toward the views of your former comrades?

As are yours. And I don't engage.

Some people are more tolerant of fools than others. there's a shock!

everyones a fool to picks, he disagrees with. insane, period. butch ocd.,

So why keep bringing it up, every single time you get in a strop or someone disagrees with you?

I don't.

Mmmm, because it's conspiracy theory to think that politicians might not have the best interests of the people at heart, especially when those politicians practice an odd form of internal "democracy" that boils down to top-down diktat.

lol. yup those were your exact words.

You make the claim, it's only right you should provide some proof.

you know where my opinion is.

I'm really not bothered about being offended. I'm bothered about the fact that parts of what's loosely termed "the left" are still more interested in issues of power and control than in genuine cohesion. This is why I dislike party politics - issues tend to move from the substantive to those that concentrate on the perpetuation of party far too quickly and easily for my liking. We shouldn't have to worry about UAF or Searchlight trying to control the direction and energy of anti-fascism, but as long as their strategies don't reflect accurately the concerns of communities but rather the concerns of the commenterati, then any possibility of a united front against the BNP, to defeat them even (and possibly especially) on their own terms (i.e. in electoral politics and in communities where they're using local issues around employment and housing as levers), then little will happen, not least because advocation of a vote for new labour or any mainstream political party is a strategy that perpetuates those employment and housing issues.

The only thing I advocate exclusively is taking anti-fascism seriously, not just viewing it as an interesting adjunct to class and race politics in general. I've never preached "do as I do". I've only ever preached "for fuck's sake inform yourself before sounding off or you'll be ineffective in your endeavours".
Unfortunately, too many people are still happy to run with just waving placards and calling people Nazis as their contribution to anti-fascism rather than looking at cause and effect, and trying to understand and deal with them.

god! SOME of You anarchist are just so fucking arrogant! you seriously think your the only ones to think about these issues.

Anyway not interested in discussing politics on here. pointless.

 

[TremulousTetra]

you mean you started a thread here in the full knowledge that you didn't have any ability to control what people posted on it, people said things you didn't like, and you got the hump.

now, returning rather wearily to the allegations of conspiraloonery, i see you appear unable to provide any of the considerable evidence you claim there is.

at this point an apology from you would be in order

Nope, I was laughing at you lot trying to derail a thread, that nobody gives a shit about, cos ur ocd.

btw this ain't political vp, see?

 

[DotCommunist]

So, in short, BNP leader doesn't actually face jail and sectarian squabbling reigns supreme in this thread

 

[Knotted]

So, in short, BNP leader doesn't actually face jail and sectarian squabbling reigns supreme in this thread

What sectarian squabbling?

 

[Pickman's model]

Nope, I was laughing at you lot trying to derail a thread, that nobody gives a shit about, cos ur ocd.

btw this ain't political vp, see?

and you're a raspberry ripple without any sort of medical qualification, hence using things like 'ocd' as an insult. as you say, not political at all.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Pointless yes.As are yours. And I don't engage.

The act of participating on the boards is engagement, and implying that I'm "ideologically-biased" misses the point that the only baggage I carry from having been a member of any political organisation is a dislike for political organisations.

everyones a fool to picks, he disagrees with. insane, period. butch ocd.,

Slights on mental health! Well done!

I don't.

True, just almost every time.

lol. yup those were your exact words.

Did I claim they were my "exact words"?
Of course I didn't, so please don't try to pull that particular flanker in the hope of distraction.

you know where my opinion is. god! SOME of You anarchist are just so fucking arrogant! you seriously think your the only ones to think about these issues.

Can you actually read (and by "read" I mean understand/comprehend what the sequence of words mean)?
I ask because what you take as arrogance is an expression of genuine disappointment that even after 80+ years of British anti-fascism people still believe that tactics that didn't work the first time around, let alone the twelfth, are still worth deploying.

Anyway not interested in discussing politics on here. pointless.

So why the constant dropping into politics threads?

 

[ViolentPanda]

So, in short, BNP leader doesn't actually face jail and sectarian squabbling reigns supreme in this thread

Well, it was fairly obvious from the get-go that Griffin was very unlikely to see the inside of a prison cell, so we needed something to fill the void.

 

[ViolentPanda]

What sectarian squabbling?

I think he's talking about attica and rmp3's contributions.

 

[Pickman's model]

Is that in your unpublished PhD?

if people are so minded, they can hop along to the ethos site at the british library and download a copy of the good doctor's thesis. for free!

http://ethos.bl.uk/Home.do;jsessionid=1A1F874C248DCE4606DC7C71660D8AE3

 

[TremulousTetra]

The act of participating on the boards is engagement, and implying that I'm "ideologically-biased" misses the point that the only baggage I carry from having been a member of any political organisation is a dislike for political organisations.

Slights on mental health! Well done!

True, just almost every time.

Did I claim they were my "exact words"?
Of course I didn't, so please don't try to pull that particular flanker in the hope of distraction.

Can you actually read (and by "read" I mean understand/comprehend what the sequence of words mean)?
I ask because what you take as arrogance is an expression of genuine disappointment that even after 80+ years of British anti-fascism people still believe that tactics that didn't work the first time around, let alone the twelfth, are still worth deploying.

So why the constant dropping into politics threads?

I think he's talking about attica and rmp3's contributions.

Just a bit of apolitical piss taking like pickmans and butcher's. They cant be being serious, can they?

 

[Pickman's model]

Just a bit of apolitical piss taking like pickmans and butcher's.

the difference is that that's all you ever do.

 

[TremulousTetra]

the difference is that that's all you ever do.

Yup! But hardly "different" to yourself, except I suppose your sectarianism. Mine isn't politcaly motivated. Don't have problem with VP politics, except his conspiracy theory, find them quite compelling.

oh yes, and I wouldn't do it just anyone. just dicks like you and butch. wouldn't do it to vp, but he's been being a prick since I hurt his feelings.

 

[butchersapron]

Is this mewling by hardcore revolutionaries ever going to end?

 

[Pickman's model]

Yup! But hardly "different" to yourself, except I suppose your sectarianism. Mine isn't politcaly motivated. Don't have problem with VP politics, except his conspiracy theory, find them quite compelling.

oh yes, and I wouldn't do it just anyone. just dicks like you and butch. wouldn't do it to vp, but he's been being a prick since I hurt his feelings.

ah yes, this conspiracy theory which you have been so unfortunately unable to find.

fuck off, rmp3, and come back when you can produce some evidence for your allegations.

 

[TremulousTetra]

ah yes, this conspiracy theory which you have been so unfortunately unable to find.

fuck off, rmp3, and come back when you can produce some evidence for your allegations.

Butchers told you stop mewling, now obey your leader.

 

[Pickman's model]

Butchers told you stop mewling, now obey your leader.

after all this time and you still haven't got to grips with anarchists not having leaders.

 

[TremulousTetra]

after all this time and you still haven't got to grips with anarchists not having leaders.

that's the wind up, thick twot.

 

[Pickman's model]

that';s the wind up, thick twot.

i thought there was more to you than that, rmp3

you're just a busted bladder

and a ripple to boot

 

[TremulousTetra]

i thought there was more to you than that, rmp3

you're just a busted bladder

and a ripple to boot

I bet it's like looking in a mirror, eh pick?

 

[Pickman's model]

I bet it's like looking in a mirror, eh pick?

no it's not.

 

[audiotech]

if people are so minded, they can hop along to the ethos site at the british library and download a copy of the good doctor's thesis. for free!

http://ethos.bl.uk/Home.do;jsessionid=1A1F874C248DCE4606DC7C71660D8AE3

what's the title?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Is this mewling by hardcore revolutionaries ever going to end?

Where? I can't see any (revolutionaries, not mewling, obviously).

Do Vanguardistas count, or are they merely opportunists who set themselves up to benefit from the revolution, and whom should be invited to dance from the end of some Hampshire hemp?

 

[Pickman's model]

what's the title?

you don't need to know, if you know the good doctor's name you can do a basic search on that.

 

[ViolentPanda]

you don't need to know, if you know the good doctor's name you can do a basic search on that.

And if you don't, just look at the pdf he keeps linking to, because it's address contains his surname.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

what's the title?

depends on which Doctor you are talking about--my PhD had the title of 'Creating Political Soldiers? The National Front 1986-90'. Including analysis of the trajectory of Nick Griffin...But hey, what would I know about modern British fascism, as compared to Dr Barking, who after repeatedly claiming my research talks of an 'all powerful BNP', was later reduced to claiming this faux quotation merely summarised an "impression" that he wants me to provide the evidence for (because he evidently can't).

Future evidence-free stories from Barking Mansions--

'Haiti--how the media caused the Quake'

'Medical Scandal--how top specialists causeCancer in their patients'

'The Iraq War--how the Anti-War movement are Responsible'

and so on...no evidence required, just make it up and promise 'lots of fake quotations' (later)