BNP leader faces jail!!

[Blagsta]

No!

you're a bright spark aren't you

 

[audiotech]

You've failed to address my point as yet on the BNP's leadership principle and whether you agree with it, or not okgirl?

 

[MrA]

Of course, but as far as "fascism", as defined in any dictionary, sociological dictionary or political lexicon is concerned, they've either buried it, or it doesn't accord with their current aims and it's been removed. The "racism" element is still there, of course, but it's been "re-styled" into the language of mainstream politics and uses the same tropes as mainstream politics does. Emphasising that behind those tropes lies something far darker (whereas with the mainstream parties the tropes are opportunism) is what makes sense, not name-calling.



It shouldn't, but calling them names that can't be pinned on them without a shed-load of explanation is pointless. If UAF spent as much time exposing the bones of the BNP's constitution and it's policies as they do thumbing their noses and shouting names, I'd be right behind them, but they don't.
Hell, even some of the supposedly serious anti-BNP elements push the line that people should be encouraged to vote "anyone but the BNP, but preferably Labour". Great stuff for perpetuating the circumstances that have helped the BNP gain credibility in the first place!

Of course, but it hardly ever happens, on the net or out in the world. Certainly only rarely in the mainstream media.

100% agree.

I think most constituencies can come up with £500. There might be a possibility of overstrech a la Tyndall and the NF in '79, but the BNP have put down proper roots nationally in a manner that the NF only managed is a very few areas - if they can do 600 candidates in the locals they should be able to do 200 in the general without too much fuss.

I didn't realise it was so little to stand for election. It would still be dent in the finances given the rigmarole surrounding the BNP accounts recently and how much would the campaign costs be? It would soon tot up.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You've failed to address my point as yet on the BNP's leadership principle and whether you agree with it, or not okgirl?

Perhaps she'd recognise it by it's proper name, the Führerprinzip?

 

[ViolentPanda]

I didn't realise it was so little to stand for election. It would still be dent in the finances given the rigmarole surrounding the BNP accounts recently and how much would the campaign costs be? It would soon tot up.

Thing is, there's almost always (and I say "almost" because I can't be sure about 100% of cases) money and power lurking in the background, hedging its bets by spreading it's bread on the hard-right waters. I wouldn't be surprised if a large series of small donations get made in the next 6 months or so.
As for campaign costs, that generally depends on how much can be defrayed to the local membership. If you can get local members to take the cost burden, then your campaign expenses miraculously drop, and a small party can pull flankers that a larger, more professional political party wouldn't indulge in.
I can't see them having a problem with finances, except maybe how to explain them.

 

[audiotech]

 

[okgirl]

What do you mean by "the growth of Islam"? Do you mean it is expanding it's base of followers in the UK, or that it's becoming a more visible political force?

Define what you mean by "too many", please.

No, they haven't. Not of legal immigration, which is the only sort they can control. If you want to moan about illegal immigration, have a word with the Prime Minister who halved the number of posts for immigration inspectors at British ports of entry back in the 1990s.

Figures for "scam marriages" and for "bogus asylum seekers", please

Are they?
And what if your brother, husband or son were falsely or even correctly convicted of serial killing or terrorism, would you still be barking for the death penalty so loudly?

So they say. Pity they haven't made any substantive proposals whatsoever and now have two of their hierarchy serving as Euro MPs.
As for sterling, if they ever got in power (which they won't), they'd be forced to acknowledge that it's not them who get to decide, it's business. As soon as it isn't in the interests of "the city" for the UK to retain sterling, whoever governs will bend the knee.

And I'm sure that, given the chance, you do.

What is an "unnecessary university degree" when it's at home, then?

So you keep saying, although all we have to prove your claims is...well, your insistence that "they're right to".

If by all accounts our population is heading for 7o million I think that figure speaks for itself. We do not have the infrastructure to support such a number.

Of course I don't have the figures for scam marriages but I can read the papers and listen to the tv but even more importantly I was asked if I would marry a Turk for around £8000 but refused (obviously). Last year our local registry office was in the papers speaking of their concerns about the. It was BBC News 24 in any case where they filmed a Roma willing to marry someone and they did not even speak the same language ffs. I have worked in the past for Turkish people and they regularly employed ilegal immigrants. As regards bogus asylum seekers thank god the media press etc. There has to be someway of find out the truth regards these people who undoubtedly exist.

I would say that a degree in Greek mythology was a wasted degree. That's not to say it isn't interesting but to my mind it should be a hobby. There are too many people doing Media Studies for instance and I would add Psychology to that list too not to stop it completely for obvious reasons but certainly to cut numbers.

I lived in London for many years and am on the outskirts of it now. I'm quite well travelled and meet plenty of people all the time.

 

[okgirl]

Imbecile

 

[LLETSA]

I was asked if I would marry a Turk for around £8000 but refused (obviously).

I bet you were.

I'd have married him for eight thousand quid.

 

[Blagsta]

If by all accounts our population is heading for 7o million I think that figure speaks for itself. We do not have the infrastructure to support such a number.

Of course I don't have the figures for scam marriages but I can read the papers and listen to the tv but even more importantly I was asked if I would marry a Turk for around £8000 but refused (obviously). Last year our local registry office was in the papers speaking of their concerns about the. It was BBC News 24 in any case where they filmed a Roma willing to marry someone and they did not even speak the same language ffs. I have worked in the past for Turkish people and they regularly employed ilegal immigrants. As regards bogus asylum seekers thank god the media press etc. There has to be someway of find out the truth regards these people who undoubtedly exist.

I would say that a degree in Greek mythology was a wasted degree. That's not to say it isn't interesting but to my mind it should be a hobby. There are too many people doing Media Studies for instance and I would add Psychology to that list too not to stop it completely for obvious reasons but certainly to cut numbers.

I lived in London for many years and am on the outskirts of it now. I'm quite well travelled and meet plenty of people all the time.

Jesus Christ

 

[Boppity]

I bet you were.

I'd have married him for eight thousand quid.

I'd have married him for eighty quid and a big mac.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Does it really matter? If fascism and racist are used in the same context, I'm not sure people are really concerned with semantics, it'smore about the sentiment imo.

I'd say that it matters, depending on who you're trying to talk to. A youngster may not make a distinction, but someone of my mum's age (she was a schoolgirl during Mosley's last gasp in the '50s) tends to differentiate between "fascist" and "racist", as do plenty of us who were born in the 50s and 60s.

It was never organised when I was younger, just opportunist or a spur of the moment reaction.

There were plenty of "organisers", that's for sure. I can remember the Swappies talking a good fight, but only a few of them actually putting it on the line. Mind you, a lot of anti-fascists back then were autonomous. Some of us did it because of our history, some because we'd grown up in "multicultural" surroundings and couldn't understand the point of racism, and some of us because we liked a good fight, and going one-on-one against people whose usual practice was for half a dozen of them to give a kicking to a single bloke or woman felt good. I confess that all the above reasons applied to me.

 

[audiotech]

Imbecile

His appearance on question time confirmed Griffin's imbecility. You're not far behind in those stakes.

 

[okgirl]

You obviously don't know what you mean by the term.

I'll give you a hint then shall I? it's similar to the way you try to convince this forum that you have a brain!

 

[Random]

I'll give you a hint then shall I? it's similar to the way you try to convince this forum that you have a brain!

i know you are, but what am i?

 

[Blagsta]

I'll give you a hint then shall I? it's similar to the way you try to convince this forum that you have a brain!

You're too clever for me.

 

[okgirl]

you're a bright spark aren't you

Thank you

 

[butchersapron]

I'll give you a hint then shall I? it's similar to the way you try to convince this forum that you have a brain!

Why wouldn't you marry that turkish bloke?

 

[Random]

Why wouldn't you marry that turkish bloke?

He kept going on and on about Greek mythology

 

[Boppity]

He kept going on and on about Greek mythology

And Media Studies.

 

[okgirl]

I bet you were.

I'd have married him for eight thousand quid.

That is nothing to spout off about! besides I owned my home at the time and I would have been many more thousands of pounds worse ofF.

Dont you have any scruples then?

 

[Random]

And Media Studies.

Once he said 'Jonathan Ross has a narcissistic complex' and she realised he represented all that she hated

 

[butchersapron]

ofF.

How did you manage that - even i don't get things that wrong.

 

[okgirl]

Jesus Christ

What's your problem?

 

[Blagsta]

What's your problem?

you're an idiot

 

[ViolentPanda]

If by all accounts our population is heading for 7o million I think that figure speaks for itself. We do not have the infrastructure to support such a number.

Depends whose account you believe.
If you're looking at the statistics from the independent Office for National Statistics, then our net gain, in terms of immigration and births weighed against emigration and deaths, varies between 200,000-300,000.
If you're looking at Migrationwatch's slightly misleading figures, it's much greater, but Migrationwatch conveniently count EU guestworkers as immigrants, even though it's been established that 80%+/- leave within 30 months.
Guess which figures the BNP use?

Of course I don't have the figures for scam marriages but I can read the papers and listen to the tv...

Didn't your granny ever tell you "don't believe everything you read" or "read between the lines"?
Obviously not, or you'd know that the volume of scam marriages is unquantifiable, so it might be a tiny problem confined to inner city registry offices, or a nationwide tide of criminality.
Just because a journo makes a feature out of an issue, doesn't mean the issue is anything other than a local (mostly to London and Luton) phenomenon.

but even more importantly I was asked if I would marry a Turk for around £8000 but refused (obviously).

Poor turk.

Last year our local registry office was in the papers speaking of their concerns about the. It was BBC News 24 in any case where they filmed a Roma willing to marry someone and they did not even speak the same language ffs.

Yes, I listened to that. It didn't try to make a case that this was happening on a country-wide large scale though, did it?

I have worked in the past for Turkish people and they regularly employed ilegal immigrants.

So do reputable companies and business owned by white people. It's called Capitalism.

As regards bogus asylum seekers thank god the media press etc. There has to be someway of find out the truth regards these people who undoubtedly exist.

Yes, thank G-d for the media indeed. How would we know about this pernicious and yet strangely unquantifiable threat without them, eh?
Let me give you a few pointers about the whole "asylum-seeking" thing.
In 2007 approx 32,000 people applied for asylum, approx 7,000 claims were granted, about 6,000 were deported, and the rest were either undergoing the appeals procedure or were section 4'ed (awaiting deportation).
There's no such thing as a "bogus" asylum seeker, there's successful asylum seekers and failed asylum seekers,. "Bogus" is just a label politicos attach to the issue so that they can play to the crowd and have those who're too stupid to discern otherwise fall for their spiel.

I would say that a degree in Greek mythology was a wasted degree.

Not, for example, if you wish to specialise in the Greeks as an archaeologist.

That's not to say it isn't interesting but to my mind it should be a hobby.

Which would mean that eventually our understanding of Greek (or Roman or Romano-British or Romano-Celt or Anglo-Saxon history would go the same way.
Great.
I thought that Griffin supported the idea of having a sense of your national identity? Without a decent understanding of history, of where our various traditions came from, that is impossible.

There are too many people doing Media Studies for instance...

Really?
Depends how you define "too many", given that the subject has been contracting in the number of students that take it for years now. Your tabloid prejudices are a bit dated, I'm afraid.

and I would add Psychology to that list too not to stop it completely for obvious reasons but certainly to cut numbers.

Because...?

I lived in London for many years and am on the outskirts of it now. I'm quite well travelled and meet plenty of people all the time.

And yet you're quite close-minded and opinionated rather than informed. Do the wicked dark-skinned people scare you?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Imbecile

He is.

He's used totally the wrong font in his photo-shopping. Anyone can see that "BNP" isn't in the same lettering as "macht frei".

 

[Random]

I salute VP's courage and indefatigability

 

[ViolentPanda]

I bet you were.

I'd have married him for eight thousand quid.

I'd have let him practice "the Turkish vice" on me for £8,000, just as long as he washed first and wore a condom.

 

[okgirl]

Source

The British National party is facing a crisis in the run-up to the general election after it emerged that Nick Griffin, its leader, could be jailed over its illegal “whites only” membership policy.

Here's hoping!!

If that's the case then maybe The East of England Black and Minority Ethnic Network employees should all be jailed then?

Perhaps backers of Black beauty contests should also be banned or jailed also?