Big up the tube drinkers
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Oswaldtwistle
Banned
It is puke the cleaners hate the most (I used to work in a train depot, so I know the sort of thing SS is talking about).
I agree with Editor about the freepapers (by all means have them in a dispenser, but don't force them on people), but they are not nearly so unpleasent or hard to clean as puke and other bodily excrement.
I agree with Editor about the freepapers (by all means have them in a dispenser, but don't force them on people), but they are not nearly so unpleasent or hard to clean as puke and other bodily excrement.
Not sure why you would want to drink on the tube anyway.
All seems a bit teenage rebellion to me.
That's the (non) issue for me. I can't say I'm madly in favour of the ban, but the prospect of having to spend half an hour underground without a tin of lager doesn't fill me with dread either. Christ, it's hardly a hardship is it?
Still, got to love the fact that people are justifying the ban because of the majority's seeming inability to swig without spilling and upchuckign frequently, fearlessly fighting for an easier life for cleaners everywhere.
Not sure why you would want to drink on the tube anyway.
All seems a bit teenage rebellion to me.
i used to see loads of builders, office workers etc having a can of beer on the way home from work.
and why not, after a hard day.
the Tube is as full of drunk people as it ever was in the evenings, rendering the ban somewhat futile imo.
No. Apparently the ban is working fine and London is now a far safer, more pleasant place for all. (It said so in a summary of Boris' achievements in his first 100 days I saw the other day ... so it must be true
)No. Apparently the ban is working fine and London is now a far safer, more pleasant place for all. (It said so in a summary of Boris' achievements in his first 100 days I saw the other day ... so it must be true
if i had a London flag, i'd drape my self in it and stroke the picture of Boris on my mantelpiece
drinking is banned on the tube.
editor
hiraethified
I didn't realise that you were the spokesperson for cleaners with all the insider knowledge!
So they're just fine with smelly soft drinks, whiffy Red Bull, bits of discarded food, chip wrappers, chewing gum, McD boxes, KFC buckets and the recently introduced tube-fulls of papers flapping around, but it's just empty beer cans that cause them so much hardship? Ya. Rly.
Some tube journeys can be up to an hour. So, the same as some plane, bus and train journeys, then.
Going for a night out and haven't much cash for beer... going straight from work to a first date, getting in the mood for a football match... I can think of lots of reasons why a can might be nice....
And how many of the people puking are actually drinking at the time? Any idea?
Oswaldtwistle
Banned
Not the foggiest. My experience comes from a national rail depot.
I do know from working alongside cleaners what a shitty job they have to do-low pay and permanent nights, so if making their life a bit better is a side effect of this ban, I have to say that is a good thing.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Don't find people having a drink threatening. But try travelling on Hong Kong's MTR and you can't help but think, "Banning drink & food is fucking great!"
The tube, and London is a fucking mess. The tube mirrors London in that it is dirty and the people assume someone else will clean away their shit. It is dirty. Ban drinking and eating with people in place to enforce fines. Equally fine those who leave papers behind and other litter.
Paper recycling bins at every station, under & overground, provided by Metro/London Shite/Other One.
Our city is a dirty mess. We need more bins that are emtpied more often, with ashtrays on top. And proper enforcement of anti-litter laws.
Nothing much to do with Boris or boozing on the tube, very indifferent to both.
The tube, and London is a fucking mess. The tube mirrors London in that it is dirty and the people assume someone else will clean away their shit. It is dirty. Ban drinking and eating with people in place to enforce fines. Equally fine those who leave papers behind and other litter.
Paper recycling bins at every station, under & overground, provided by Metro/London Shite/Other One.
Our city is a dirty mess. We need more bins that are emtpied more often, with ashtrays on top. And proper enforcement of anti-litter laws.
Nothing much to do with Boris or boozing on the tube, very indifferent to both.
George & Bill
semiotically superfluous
Good info - got a link to a chart containing this information incase I need to refer back to it?
It doesn't appeal to me but I couldn't really care if others were drinking - as long as they didn't turn into pissed up wankers that seem to inhabit most city centres.
I reckon the ban was to stop homeless people sitting on the tube all day to keep warm. Most of the people I saw supping a can on the tube looked like they could do with a bit help. At least that is why they introduced a ban on outside drinking in Southsea - it didn't apply to me or anyone else who looked like they had slept in a bed. They brought in three months before the International Festival of the Sea to clear the streets of homeless people.
editor
hiraethified
So have you any actual evidence that their life has got better since the ban?
Is there a puke-o-meter you can consult?
Sounds about right to me. And if it's better for the cleaners, then it's better for all of us.
I'm totally fine with a ban.
Well done Boris
I can't remember the last time I had a beer on the tube. Not something I'm ever inclined to do, tbh.
Nor can I remember the last time I saw someone throwing up on the tube, or pissing in a can. And much as I'm sure it happens, I find it very hard to believe that they hadn't already had a fair old skinful before getting on.
Pointless ban, silly claims being made for its supposed success.
Nor can I remember the last time I saw someone throwing up on the tube, or pissing in a can. And much as I'm sure it happens, I find it very hard to believe that they hadn't already had a fair old skinful before getting on.
Pointless ban, silly claims being made for its supposed success.
david dissadent
New Member
And yet on inter-city services the companies are happy to sell me alcohol.
The MTR shames the Tube in many respects.
Cheap as chips, rapid, regular, air conditioned etc.
and clean. it's like a massive Jubliee line extension.
i am guessing it was all built reasonably recently, not as old as the Tube is in parts.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
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Yeah we should have enforced rules on public transport. And gaurds who look like Blakey is SS uniforms. That would shit the feral hoodies right up
Editor didn't actually reply to me about the fact that Trains and Planes are designed for you to eat food and to drink. Buses and Tubes are not designed that way, and nor should they be.
It isn't enough to suggest that in the most extreme of cases, you might be on a bus as long as you were on a train or plane, when on average, train and plane journeys will far outstrip the average tube journey.
This was taken into account during design and some trains and planes are designed for you to be able to drink and eat. This is not true of tubes or buses, it is surprising really that you have ever been allowed to eat or drink on the Tube.
Yes but, Fong, that 'fact' is bollocks.
Trains and planes aren't designed for you to eat on. Some offer you a table and some might sell you a drink - alongside the sandwiches and tea - but that's as far as it goes. It's not a matter of being 'designed' for eating and drinking, just of making provision for what most of us want to do on a long journey.
Meanwhile, I've seen several people get very drunk - antisocially so, in a few instances - during the course of a four-hour train journey, whereas I know no-one capable of drinking themselves into a stupor during the length of the average tube journey. I have, however, seen people who were pissed before travelling cause trouble on all forms of transport, which Boris's ban does nothing at all to address.
So, it's all a bit pointless really, isn't it?
Well provision is a dodgy word in this sentence.
Do you mean provisions as in food, like you would take on a trip, or do you mean provisions as in a table?
If you mean provisions as in a table, then surely that was designed like that? So why claim at the start that planes and trains aren't designed for people to eat and drink when they provide a table and if I remember rightly, a cup holder.
Dunno about that.
Do we really want to stop drunk people travelling on the Tube and Buses? That makes little sense since the choices left open are expensive cabs or drive yourself. Not choices we want to be forcing people into really for fear they might make the wrong one.
So if it isn't about stopping drunk people what it is about, perhaps it is about stopping alcohol on Tubes for the smell, the anti-social factor of spilt alcohol on seats and on people etc rather then stopping drunk people.
Unless I'm much mistaken, you certainly cannot carry your own alcohol onto a plane and consume it mid-flight. It's a source of revenue for the airlines.
However on the tube I don't think we are going to see trolley-girls doing the rounds. Or maybe that's Boris' fiendish plan?
However on the tube I don't think we are going to see trolley-girls doing the rounds. Or maybe that's Boris' fiendish plan?
No, provision is a very uncontentious word and only fong, with his penchant for irritating nitpicking, would try to make anything of it.
It's blindingly obvious. Trains and planes are designed for longer journeys where people are liekly to spread things out - be that food or drink or games, laptops and the rest.
No-one ever claimed we wanted to stop drunk people travelling, just that a ban on drinking makes no difference to whether they do or not.
The smell is a complete non-issue, no-one has ever spilt a can on the tube in my sight (how clumsy do you have to be to spill a can anyway?), and the litter issue remains a red herrign as long as people can still read free papers and eat takeaways (which stink as well) on the tube.
Pointless, in other words.
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hendo
Fish finger sandwiches
The Hong Kong system is very clean indeed and says a lot for the society that uses it. It's quite a bit smaller than the London system and not anywhere near as old, so maybe we're not comparing like with like.
Personally I think the ban on alcohol is pointless; there is no way to enforce it, and people flout it willy-nilly. But oddly the ban on smoking works fine. Is that the Kings Cross fire having a deterrent effect? I haven't seen anyone light a cig on the tube since that time.
Yossarian
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The MTR doesn't really suffer delays. A 5-minute delay somewhere on the system is enough to make it into the newspapers the next day.
The Tube is much older and crappier and breaks down all the time, taking food and drink on board is a sensible way to prepare for a journey that can often take at least an hour longer than planned - and I reckon having to cross London on the Tube every day for years would be enough to drive even the strictest mullah into alcoholism.
Stobart Stopper
Well-Known Member
How frightfully common!
Have a beer in a pub if you want one, or before you leave home. Not on public transport.
I would ban all alcohol from planes/airports as well, look at the trouble that causes when pissed up fuckwits go mental and scare the crew and passengers.
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