Best time to hit the 'Reduced To Clear' section?

[Orang Utan]

I quite like the phrase and will continue to use it. Can't see what's so offensive about it. Ju suis un hobo.

 

[Treacle Toes]

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[sojourner]

I just ignored it as I found the term offensive but thought perhaps it was just me so I never bothered to wade in and start a row about it.

^ this, mostly. And loads of posters who I like posted on here. Same people who post on the tea thread. So I ignored it. But I am very glad it's been changed now.

 

[Orang Utan]

REAL PRICE SECTION

Who calls it that? That's worse as it doesn't say owt.

 

[Mrs Miggins]

I call it "the tired cabinet"

 

[Orang Utan]

Yep, couldn't agree more.


I don't think I've ever posted on this thread, to my knowledge, purely because of the name. I fucking hated it.

Why?

 

[sojourner]

yes, that is odd. 40 pages worth of posts over 2 years and only now everyone is offended

It does seem a bit odd that everyone is saying something now. I didn't think we were shy about challenging stuff on urban. [emoji53] Apart from a post from Fedayn that I missed, has anyone else ever raised this?

To be clear - it isn't EVERYONE that is offended, it's a few people who have now said something. I don't think making it into a massive generalisation does anyone any favours either.

 

[sojourner]

Why?

Try reading my other posts

 

[mwgdrwg]

It seems the original thread title is past it's sell by date.

 

[sojourner]

Seriously, wtf do you think I was offended?! Are you that blind you can't see?

 

[Orang Utan]

Try reading my other posts

Maybe I missed some posts, but all I've seen in the past couple of threads was people as saying they hated it and found it offensive.

 

[sojourner]

Maybe I missed some posts, but all I've seen in the past couple of threads was people as saying they hated it and found it offensive.

Are you genuinely confused about why I would be offended by the term 'tramp's buffet'?

Or are you just being your usual contrary self? I suspect it's the latter. You carry on using it if you want. I choose not to.

 

[Orang Utan]

Are you genuinely confused about why I would be offended by the term 'tramp's buffet'?

Or are you just being your usual contrary self? I suspect it's the latter. You carry on using it if you want. I choose not to.

I imagine some people might be offended by the old fashioned term tramp, but would like to know why, because I don't think it is in that context, especially considering its origin and use. We all find levels of offence in terms that others don't, but how can we be expected to discuss it if you don't say why?

 

[sojourner]

I imagine some people might be offended by the old fashioned term tramp, but would like to know why, because I don't think it is in that context, especially considering its origin and use. We all find levels of offence in terms that others don't, but how can we be expected to discuss it if you don't say why?

Its use is generally pejorative, yes. You might as well say 'pikey's buffet'. It's belittling, to both homeless people and to the people who use that section.

 

[Orang Utan]

It's use is generally pejorative, yes. You might as well say 'pikey's buffet'. It's belittling, to both homeless people and to the people who use that section.

I don't see tramp as a pejorative word. It's old fashioned and romantic if anything. In the context, it just refers to bargain seekers and sharing your knowledge with other bargain seekers, like tramps did back in the day with chalk signs outside generous households.

 

[sojourner]

I don't see tramp as a pejorative word. It's old fashioned and romantic if anything. In the context, it just refers to bargain seekers and sharing your knowledge with other bargain seekers, like tramps did back in the day with chalk signs outside generous households.

Old fashioned and romantic? Seriously?! Yeh, I'm sure all those 'tramp fight' videos that are hawked around play exactly on that old fashioned and romantic idyll.

You are talking serious bollocks with that markings reference too, comparing that with this.

 

[Orang Utan]

Old fashioned and romantic? Seriously?! Yeh, I'm sure all those 'tramp fight' videos that are hawked around play exactly on that old fashioned and romantic idyll.

You are talking serious bollocks with that markings reference too, comparing that with this.

I wasn't thinking of 'tramp fights' but the more of Orwell in Down & Out In Paris & London. I didn't think of it as a belittling term as it always used by people who use it themselves

 

[Treacle Toes]

Who calls it that? That's worse as it doesn't say owt.

I call it that. It's what food actually costs (or should be)

 

[sojourner]

I wasn't thinking of 'tramp fights' but the more of Orwell in Down & Out In Paris & London. I didn't think of it as a belittling term as it always used by people who use it themselves

I'm sure everyone thinks more of Orwell when they use the term 'tramp', aye. Not.

Anyway, you call it what you want. I'm away to the dentist.

 

[DotCommunist]

It seems the original thread title is past it's sell by date.

use by. You aren't supposed to sell past the sell by date. The free crisps and tins of soup I get from the shop are way past sell by but tins last forever and crisps are so stuffed with preservatives, in a modern foil packet. why not

 

[killer b]

I don't think they'd necessarily think of tramp fights either. I certainly wasn't when I posted the thread... FWIW I do recognise on reflection the potential for offence, but I don't think the word has the same cultural load as your example 'pikey' - it isn't universally negative at all.

 

[Mrs Miggins]

This is exactly why I never fucking bothered to bring it up!!!

 

[Treacle Toes]

I have never heard the term 'tramp' used in a positive way. In fact it's a standard insult and when used to describe homeless people it pretty much dehumanises them.

 

[mwgdrwg]

I have never heard the term 'tramp' used in a positive way....

Tramps like us, baby we were born to ruuuuuun!

 

[Looby]

To be clear - it isn't EVERYONE that is offended, it's a few people who have now said something. I don't think making it into a massive generalisation does anyone any favours either.

Ok, you know what I meant though. I'm not being arsey, I'm just surprised that this hasn't really been discussed before if people were offended by it. It's unusual for this place.

 

[Enviro]

There's some greedy bastards about. This rich old fella in Waitrose had a trolley full of multiple discounted items and was shamelessly hanging round any staff member with a price gun and grabbing pretty much anything they priced down. Not fair. Unsportsmanlike. He should exhibit more restraint and less undignified grabaliciousness.
Dunno why it bothers me so much, but I had to overcome by burning desire to call him a greedy bastard and to leave some for the rest of us.
There ought to be RULES.

Once I was in one of them waitroses, and I like their paysan breads - the grand manges. There was four or five of things left and I was hovering nearby, discretely, whilst a waitrose partner was marking up reduced items in the baked section... Just as she came to the big eats someone swooped in and grabbed ALL OF THEM as she stickered them!! My discrete hovering didn't pay off and I should have elbowed my way in there and grabbed one of the buggers off the greedy sod.

 

[Orang Utan]

I'm sure everyone thinks more of Orwell when they use the term 'tramp', aye. Not.

Tramp/hobo are both rather romantic terms and rarely used pejoratively IME and certainly not in the context. People use much worse terms if they are wanting to be rude or vicious.

 

[Orang Utan]

I don't think they'd necessarily think of tramp fights either. I certainly wasn't when I posted the thread... FWIW I do recognise on reflection the potential for offence, but I don't think the word has the same cultural load as your example 'pikey' - it isn't universally negative at all.

Yes..

 

[Orang Utan]

I have never heard the term 'tramp' used in a positive way. In fact it's a standard insult and when used to describe homeless people it pretty much dehumanises them.

It's not standard IME. Most young people wouldn't be familiar with it IMO. It refers to an old fashioned kind of homelessness tha has been romanticised, and doesn't really exist any more.

 

[Throbbing Angel]

It's not standard IME. Most young people wouldn't be familiar with it IMO. It refers to an old fashioned kind of homelessness tha has been romanticised, and doesn't really exist any more.

^^^ this ^^^

literally meant itinerant - to tramp from one place to another - didn't it?