BBC presenter Huw Edwards suspended over paying for sexual pics.

[rasputin]

But as discussed earlier, making was specifically added to the law in 1994 (came into force in 1995) specifically to deal with the internet and digital files. So it wasnt a particular case that enabled 'making' to apply to digital copying, that wording was formulated in the first place to deal with just such cases.

As it was explained to me, (so please don't try too hard to shoot the messenger) it was a question of how "making" was interpreted. The legislation (see below) did not make it clear that saving a file could be interpreted as "making" and it was this that was established in court.

 

[elbows]

As it was explained to me, (so please don't try too hard to shoot the messenger) it was a question of how "making" was interpreted. The legislation (see below) did not make it clear that saving a file could be interpreted as "making" and it was this that was established in court.

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I suppose we can both be right. ie the language was originally inserted to deal with digital stuff but you still need court cases to establish that this use is valid and set the suitable precedent. Press reporting of the time can probably help determine the original intention, but I havent got access to the right sort of archive for that time period at the moment.

Dont worry, Im not interested in messenger shooting.

 

[Chz]

By the way, they added the pseudo-images/pseudo-photographs wording in the law at the same time, and that was done due to the digital era too.

I'd wondered how it applies to AI generated images. I suppose they have to accept that the LLM needs real input to generate the image, and so they are "real" images.

 

[Indeliblelink]

Huw Edwards pleads guilty.

Huw Edwards appears at court for first time

The former BBC newsreader admits three counts of making indecent images of children.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Dom Traynor]

Hope he gets a custodial sentence.

 

[danny la rouge]

NB: "These allegations did not form part of the matter which was considered by police in July 2023. They were investigated separately as a standalone case," a police spokesperson said.

 

[Indeliblelink]

He's at a Magistrate Court rather than a Crown Court so think the most they can give is 12 months.

 

[Everything Goes]

He's at a Magistrate Court rather than a Crown Court so think the most they can give is 12 months.

Given the overcrowding in prisons I wonder if he will serve any time behind bars. I think he was still on the BBC payroll until April, so I guess he might be fined instead.

 

[Spymaster]

Speaking in Edwards’ defence, his barrister Philip Evans KC said: “There’s no suggestion in this case that Mr Edwards has... in the traditional sense of the word, created any image of any sort.

“It is important also to remember for context that devices, Mr Edwards’ devices, have been seized, have been searched, and there’s nothing in those devices.

“It is only the images that are the subject of the charges that came via a WhatsApp chat.

“Mr Edwards did not keep any images, did not send any to anyone else and did not and has not sought similar images from anywhere else.”

Which further outlines the ambiguous nature of "making" in the context of this offence.

 

[Elpenor]

NB: "These allegations did not form part of the matter which was considered by police in July 2023. They were investigated separately as a standalone case," a police spokesperson said.

So almost certainly discovered while investigating the original matter last year, as that probably meant seizing devices.

 

[rasputin]

He's at a Magistrate Court rather than a Crown Court so think the most they can give is 12 months.

I believe magistrates can refer a case to a Crown Court if they consider the matter to be beyond their sentencing powers.

 

[Cid]

Yeah, the mags will be a preliminary hearing... You can enter a plea (which obvs he has done) which will dictate the course of the trial. Since he's admitted guilt there's no need to convene a full trial, he just gets sentenced. Since this is happening in Sept presumably the mags has referred it to the Crown court. There are a few caveats to that, rusty on the details, but that's the broad principle.

 

[Saul Goodman]

I believe magistrates can refer a case to a Crown Court if they consider the matter to be beyond their sentencing powers.

They can, but that option is usually reserved for people outside of their social circle.
Suspended sentence. Small fine. See you in the pub.

 

[GarveyLives]

Hope he gets a custodial sentence.

The sentencing guidelines for the offences to which Huw Edwards has pleaded guilty may be found here.

 

[TopCat]

Kids including one under ten yr old.

How many more bbc nonces are there?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Huw Edwards
Jimmy Saville
Russell Brand
Tim Western

The BBC has serious questions to answer.

 

[Spymaster]

Huw Edwards
Jimmy Saville
Russell Brand
Tim Western

The BBC has serious questions to answer.

Is Brand a nonce too?

 

[Silas Loom]

Need a comparator organisation with similar headcount (20k) over a similar period whose staff don’t hit the headlines in the context of their employer when arrested for these offences. My guess is that the BBC isn’t a massive outlier.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Kids including one under ten yr old.

How many more bbc nonces are there?

Lots, I would imagine, given the numbers in the general population.

 

[Petcha]

Huw Edwards
Jimmy Saville
Russell Brand
Tim Western

The BBC has serious questions to answer.

I assume you mean Tim Westwood?

https://mixmag.net/read/tim-westwood-interviewed-police-caution-sex-allegations-underage-news#:~:text=Some%20of%20the%20women%20said,more%20women%20reported%20allegations%20after.

<removed libellous text>

 

[Dandred]

John Peel was also a BBC nonce.

 

[cesare]

Also Rolf Harris

 

[Pickman's model]

Huw Edwards
Jimmy Saville
Russell Brand
Tim Western

The BBC has serious questions to answer.

Savile. Poor Jimmy Saville is damned by people's inability to spell

 

[Saul Goodman]

<edited FFS - don’t fucking quote it if you think it’s libel!>

Wasn't he found not guilty?

 

[surreybrowncap]

<edited: FFS - don’t fucking quote it if you think it’s libel!>

Careful - Charles and another were acquitted..........

 

[Petcha]

Careful - Charles and another were acquitted..........

I seem to recall it was on something of a technicality that they got acquitted. She wasn't examined in time. It was pretty a pretty disgusting case. The details are too gruesome to post up here.

 

[skyscraper101]

Tim Western was Westwood's nemesis who only played country music.

 

[Spymaster]

I seem to recall it was on something of a technicality that they got acquitted.

Still not a good idea to be suggesting he's a sex case.

 

[Cid]

They can, but that option is usually reserved for people outside of their social circle.
Suspended sentence. Small fine. See you in the pub.

Checking a bit further reckon you're right on this, same court for sentencing, early plea etc.

 

[TopCat]

I assume you mean Tim Westwood?

https://mixmag.net/read/tim-westwood-interviewed-police-caution-sex-allegations-underage-news#:~:text=Some%20of%20the%20women%20said,more%20women%20reported%20allegations%20after.

<FFS - don’t fucking quote it if you think it’s libel!>

He was acquitted no?