BBC - Owen Jones

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i'm really not.

well you're certainly funnier. that was playground stuff.

 

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He supports the Labour Party...

He does and you're probably right. I'm not sure though.

None of this is hate.

I agree. I actually agree with the more thoughtful and honest criticism of his position too.

 

[sihhi]

He does and you're probably right. I'm not sure though.

He does support the Labour Party - he often claims bizarrely this is because it has a link to most TUC unions.

Take a look at this latest example:

1. tom_watsonVerified account ‏@tom_watson
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   @OliverKamm @OwenJones84 Hi Oliver - I think Owen prospers because opinions like his have not been heard in newspapers for a long time.
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2. Oliver Kamm ‏@OliverKamm
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   @tom_watson Hi Tom, I certainly think there's important place in newspapers for @OwenJones84's opinions, though not sure they're so unusual.
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3. tom_watsonVerified account ‏@tom_watson
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   @OliverKamm @OwenJones84 I can't think of a columnist who displays such trenchant views from the left these days. Can you?
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4. Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed
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   @tom_watson @OliverKamm @OwenJones84 *clears throat*
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5. tom_watsonVerified account ‏@tom_watson
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   @PennyRed @OliverKamm @OwenJones84 Ooops! Sorry comrade. You know the point I was making.
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6. Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed
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   @tom_watson @OliverKamm @OwenJones84 absolutely I do. I just want to be your favourite, is all.
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Owen Jones‏@OwenJones84​

@PennyRed @tom_watson @OliverKamm Ha - I'm sure Tom loves you

A right-wing columnist has a little poke at OJ, Labour right MP Tom Watson comes to his defence, OJ later comes in to suggest that Tom loving you is a good thing.

 

[love detective]

note the continual oppression of laurie penny by others, by erm, not saying sh'es brilliant at all times

 

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are those Laurie Penny quotes for real? they can't be. surely to fuck.

 

[sihhi]

note the continual oppression of laurie penny by others, by erm, not saying sh'es brilliant at all times

My point was why should socialists like Owen Jones or Laurie Penny welcome the respect and support of figures like Tom Watson. There's something that doesn't fit right particularly as he abstained over the government breaking the constitution to rescind a judgement from the court ordering the payment of workfare contracts.

He is Labour centrist if not right - not even LAbaour left.

 

[J Ed]

My point was why should socialists like Owen Jones or Laurie Penny welcome the respect and support of figures like Tom Watson. There's something that doesn't fit right particularly as he abstained over the government breaking the constitution to rescind a judgement from the court ordering the payment of workfare contracts.

He is Labour centrist if not right - not even LAbaour left.

Well, it's important to get the approval of the other children on the playground :/

 

[killer b]

My point was why should socialists like Owen Jones or Laurie Penny welcome the respect and support of figures like Tom Watson. There's something that doesn't fit right particularly as he abstained over the government breaking the constitution to rescind a judgement from the court ordering the payment of workfare contracts.

He is Labour centrist if not right - not even LAbaour left.

people like him 'cause he shouted at murdoch.

 

[love detective]

My point was why should socialists like Owen Jones or Laurie Penny welcome the respect and support of figures like Tom Watson. There's something that doesn't fit right particularly as he abstained over the government breaking the constitution to rescind a judgement from the court ordering the payment of workfare contracts.

He is Labour centrist if not right - not even LAbaour left.

Yep I know - was just remarking on a side issue about penny

 

[butchersapron]

As articul8 doesn't want to tell us what the labour party did to the labour Councillors who voted against the cuts:

Anti-cuts councillors

There have been some limited local exceptions, such as the two Southampton Labour councillors who refused to vote with the ruling Labour group to close a leisure centre they had explicitly promised to save at elections a few months earlier. Following their decision to form a rival group on the council, Labour Councillors Against the Cuts, they have been formally expelled from the party.

Tonight they suspended Warrington cllr Kevin Bennett for voting against cuts.

Don't join labour. Don't work for labour. Don't vote labour.

 

[sihhi]

Don't join labour. Don't work for labour. Don't vote labour.

What do you think of anti-cuts groups inviting Labour councillors who have already voted for cuts in previous financial years onto anti-cuts platforms and protests outside council meetings?

 

[butchersapron]

What do you think of anti-cuts groups inviting Labour councillors who have already voted for cuts in previous financial years onto anti-cuts platforms and protests outside council meetings?

I wouldn't like it and would argue against it and try and ensure that they keep their heads down and do some proper work as long-term rehab before ever having the honour of speaking for them. Which should either ensure some commitment or find out the ones who are just after furthering their own careers via a spot of opposition. And full and open accounts of what the party did/talked about/planned as price of admission.

 

[sihhi]

Abbott also failed to do the absolute minimum to stop or delay workfare... yet:

Diane Abbott MP @HackneyAbbott 5h
Go @OwenJones84! Brilliant on @Channel4News injecting some facts into a toxic fact free #Philpott debate.

@OwenJones84
@HackneyAbbott @Channel4News Thanks Diane

He was on This Morning too - can't see the vid but seems to have done OK.

 

[sihhi]

I wouldn't like it and would argue against it and try and ensure that they keep their heads down and do some proper work as long-term rehab before ever having the honour of speaking for them. Which should either ensure some commitment or find out the ones who are just after furthering their own careers via a spot of opposition.

We/I (delete as appropriate) have no spine, we welcome people who are trampling over us, making society into a pyramid so it becomes harder to organise, just for the mirage of success.

And full and open accounts of what the party did/talked about/planned as price of admission.

This is a brilliant point - every word of the insiders' memos/emails.

 

[treelover]

Just been looking at tweets on R/W sites about Owen, they really hate him , but more significantly they appear to fear him, not surprised with his demolition of Ruth Porter, etc.

 

[treelover]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zbj3IJcMrv8





from Sky news earlier

can't embed

btw, is that Harry Cole in the debate , the odd looking fat knob who is always posted up on here as one of the Libertarian Alliance

 

[articul8]

Don't join labour. Don't work for labour. Don't vote labour.

The reality is that come the next election this position amounts to tellin people to piss away their chance of helping to kick out the coalition parties. Unite - who backed Bennett - should suspend every penny of funding until he's reinstated.

 

[J Ed]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zbj3IJcMrv8





from Sky news earlier

can't embed

btw, is that Harry Cole in the debate , the odd looking fat knob who is always posted up on here as one of the Libertarian Alliance

It's Harry Cole.

Jones does so well here.

 

[butchersapron]

The reality is that come the next election this position amounts to tellin people to piss away their chance of helping to kick out the coalition parties. Unite - who backed Bennett - should suspend every penny of funding until he's reinstated.

Telling the leadership off on the internet.

 

[treelover]

It's Harry Cole.

Jones does so well here.

No, I meant he is the fat one with a mop of hair who urbanites are always posting up as part of a group of weirdoes?

 

[butchersapron]

No, I meant he is the fat one with a mop of hair who urbanites are always posting up as part of a group of weirdoes?

No he's not the libertarian from the pic.

 

[treelover]

looks similar anyway

always good to have an excuse to put that up, in your files?

 

[Firky]

It's Harry Cole.

Jones does so well here.

He [Jones] didn't list anyone who committed suicide when he made IDS squirm.

 

[treelover]

It is always wrong to name someone in that manner, especially if it in the public domain, not sure...

 

[sihhi]

btw, is that Harry Cole in the debate , the odd looking fat knob who is always posted up on here as one of the Libertarian Alliance

No! Harry Cole formerly Tory Bear, then ConHome, then politics head of the Guido Fawkes blog is in the middle here with libertarians to either side of him - Paul Staines Guido of the Guido Fawkes blog and polymath Toby Young.

 

[Favelado]

I haven't read all of this thread, although I'm aware of some of the criticisms of Owen Jones that have been made. Fair play to him in terms of his performance on Sky News though. He was great.

 

[treelover]

He is like that every time, makes sure he gets the message across, doesn't play the interviewers game...

 

[treelover]

No! Harry Cole formerly Tory Bear, then ConHome, then politics head of the Guido Fawkes blog is in the middle here with libertarians to either side of him - Paul Staines Guido of the Guido Fawkes blog and polymath Toby Young.

Whats all that about, bunch of gobshites all..

 

[Firky]

It is always wrong to name someone in that manner, especially if it in the public domain, not sure...

No names:

 

[treelover]

BOT. Staines is saying that Cole owned Owen, yeah right...