DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
the fifth column that never does fuck all.
BBC - Owen Jones
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Sawfords old man was socialist campaign group. The main organ shuts down these people and confines them to limited constituency work, which yeah ok doing what you can. But the main players in the party are just fucking waste
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
"them" referred to those who supported abstaining on workfare. I didn't. Owen's column was clearly as critical of this at is possible from within the terms of his Labour left politics. Eoin Clarke was arguing that Labour;s "future jobs [sic] guarantee" (actually 6 month placements on sub-living wage pay) would be a "luxury" for those fortunate enough to be on the receiving end.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
So yes, as i said, dissociating yourself from the policies of your party, arguing that this rhetorical radicalism is just spiffing and launching a odd attack on someone most people have not heard of or care about = bizarre.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
He has a soft passive aggressive form of online-tutting at those who do reject the Labour Left:
He retweets stuff like this:
with comments in humour like:
Owen Jones
Then goes deadly serious saying:
Then retweets this kind of response to it
He retweets stuff like this:
with comments in humour like:
Owen Jones
Then goes deadly serious saying:
Then retweets this kind of response to it
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
25 grand to hire the venue for this only and last hope for the left.
Zabo
Well-Known Member
How anybody like Jones who is a card carrying member of the Labour party can waffle on about socialism beats me.
How come none of the CLP's have issued a an ultimatum to Central Office to have Straw, Blair, Millburn et al,. to be expelled from the Party?
Go on then kidda, get down with it and become well chuffed at doing something real or have you no balls?
How come none of the CLP's have issued a an ultimatum to Central Office to have Straw, Blair, Millburn et al,. to be expelled from the Party?
Go on then kidda, get down with it and become well chuffed at doing something real or have you no balls?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
greens. Do me a solid
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
Worth examining that whole exchange:
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/315124120943747073
asking anything about structure becomes: "why not ask the political questions instead of this nit-picking then?"
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I had no idea they were planning to charge, astounding.
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
i don't know why he's getting so excited about this - it will be the usual rally full of speeches and little else
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I don't know why you aren't either.
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
no, that's uniquely incoherent even for you
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
The location itself means it'll cost at least £4.40 by bus for people living in outer areas - where many low-paid in private sector housing have moved, the bedroom tax is just an attempted push for the stragglers. So you're looking at £8.40 at least, and you'll be condescended to by Green Party and Labour Party stalwarts before your union or community group gets to speak.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
And that is a remarkably point-missing post even for you.
muscovyduck
Good IT skills and food hygiene competent
Was just emerging from page 188 of the Laurie Penny thread to point that Twitter argument out to everyone but it looks like I was beaten to it. 
muscovyduck
Good IT skills and food hygiene competent
To be fair he has been making out like it's souly Labour organising the bedroom tax protests. His heart's probably in the right place but it's still quite irritating.
It's not the entrance fee, its the fact that many many people inc the angry masses on FB about benefits/bedroom tax, etc simply can't afford to get to London, they should have regional events as well...
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Little owen back in the trenches for the crime of being "critical of the Labour leadership." He should know by now that all communists are dead men on furlough.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It is the bloody entrance fee thanks, and it is those things you mention as well.
Yes, Eion has been branding the facebook events with the Labour Left logo, unnaceptable, even the SWP didn't do that.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
They are all labour party members - all three.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It's only 4 quid unwaged - it's 8 quid otherwise. Amazing, i wonder how much it will cost to get into the soviets.
muscovyduck
Good IT skills and food hygiene competent
Most people don't think Labour even belong at protests like such any more. Labour's only line of defence is to ask people to not turn the protest into something political (yes, I know) - aka "Don't point out how hypocritical we are, now, where's the photographer for the local newspaper?"
It happens a lot around my local area, people from smaller groups doing all the hard work and the main political parties taking the credit, usually by using the local press after telling the others that they shouldn't be going after brownie points with the public.
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