BBC - Owen Jones

[DotCommunist]

the fifth column that never does fuck all.

 

[DotCommunist]

Sawfords old man was socialist campaign group. The main organ shuts down these people and confines them to limited constituency work, which yeah ok doing what you can. But the main players in the party are just fucking waste

 

[articul8]

Well, firstly, your attempted disassociation from the party of which you are a member through the use of 'them'. Secondly the idea that a 'on-line tutting' means much at all, and thirdly, your choice of tutting online at Eoin Clarke.

"them" referred to those who supported abstaining on workfare. I didn't. Owen's column was clearly as critical of this at is possible from within the terms of his Labour left politics. Eoin Clarke was arguing that Labour;s "future jobs [sic] guarantee" (actually 6 month placements on sub-living wage pay) would be a "luxury" for those fortunate enough to be on the receiving end.

 

[butchersapron]

So yes, as i said, dissociating yourself from the policies of your party, arguing that this rhetorical radicalism is just spiffing and launching a odd attack on someone most people have not heard of or care about = bizarre.

 

[sihhi]

He has a soft passive aggressive form of online-tutting at those who do reject the Labour Left:

He retweets stuff like this:

‏@ravingleftie Rather have ppl like @OwenJones84 on our side,despite our (many!) differences.Remember th real enemy;th rich,& rightwing politicians!

with comments in humour like:

Owen Jones ‏

@ravingleftie What do you mean? Impure so-called "socialist" careerists like me are the real enemy!

Then goes deadly serious saying:

People's Assembly is backed by key unions, community groups, Greens, Labour lefts etc and will be Britain's broad anti-austerity movement

Then retweets this kind of response to it

Danny Turner ‏This is the only show in town for the Left, it's this or nothing! Hope this snowballs and brings together divided progressives. Retweeted by Owen Jones

 

[butchersapron]

25 grand to hire the venue for this only and last hope for the left.

 

[Zabo]

How anybody like Jones who is a card carrying member of the Labour party can waffle on about socialism beats me.

How come none of the CLP's have issued a an ultimatum to Central Office to have Straw, Blair, Millburn et al,. to be expelled from the Party?

Go on then kidda, get down with it and become well chuffed at doing something real or have you no balls?

 

[DotCommunist]

greens. Do me a solid

 

[sihhi]

greens. Do me a solid

Worth examining that whole exchange:

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/315124120943747073

asking anything about structure becomes: "why not ask the political questions instead of this nit-picking then?"

 

[butchersapron]

I had no idea they were planning to charge, astounding.

 

[articul8]

25 grand to hire the venue foe this only and last hop for the left.

i don't know why he's getting so excited about this - it will be the usual rally full of speeches and little else

 

[butchersapron]

i don't know why he's getting so excited about this - it will be the usual rally full of speeches and little else

I don't know why you aren't either.

 

[articul8]

I don't know why aren't either.

no, that's uniquely incoherent even for you

 

[sihhi]

I had no idea they were planning to charge, astounding.

The location itself means it'll cost at least £4.40 by bus for people living in outer areas - where many low-paid in private sector housing have moved, the bedroom tax is just an attempted push for the stragglers. So you're looking at £8.40 at least, and you'll be condescended to by Green Party and Labour Party stalwarts before your union or community group gets to speak.

 

[butchersapron]

no, that's uniquely incoherent even for you

And that is a remarkably point-missing post even for you.

 

[frogwoman]

This or nothing eh?

 

[rosecore]

Owen Jones ‏
@DrEoinCl Can you explain why you demanded Manchester bedroom tax protest not have me on platform and have withdrawn all support from it?



Éoin Clarke ‏
@OwenJones84 incorrect.


Owen Jones ‏
@DrEoinCl That's now what the organiser @KarenBroady has told me. So can you clarify what has happened please?


Éoin Clarke ‏
@OwenJones84 Incorrect.
Owen Jones ‏
@DrEoinCl Could I have a more substantial reply than that please? Why does the organiser @KarenBroady think otherwise?

Éoin Clarke ‏
@OwenJones84 Yes of course you can, dm me your landline and I'll call you if you are sincere in ur wish simply to know the facts

Éoin Clarke
@OwenJones84 Incorrect. + if you want to know more Twitter is not the place.

Owen Jones ‏
@Tutini2 @DrEoinCl @KarenBroady Support for the Manchester demo has been dumped, which means Karen faces having to call it off.

Éoin Clarke ‏
@OwenJones84 Manchester demo is 100% on. And ur central point is incorrect. I have an entire transcript of the conversation.

Owen Jones ‏
@DrEoinCl The organiser says you have withdrawn support for the demo and "can't manage it alone"


Éoin Clarke ‏
@OwenJones84 Incorrect. 100% so. And as I say, this is not the place. Organising committee for Manchester is 18 strong + I am on it

LOL

 

[muscovyduck]

Was just emerging from page 188 of the Laurie Penny thread to point that Twitter argument out to everyone but it looks like I was beaten to it.

 

[rosecore]

It's still going on! This is hilarious. Clarke is pretty laughable.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

@KarenBroady

10h​

I wish someone had warned @DrEoinCl was a crank. Could've saved me a lot of grief.

 

[muscovyduck]

To be fair he has been making out like it's souly Labour organising the bedroom tax protests. His heart's probably in the right place but it's still quite irritating.

 

[treelover]

I had no idea they were planning to charge, astounding.

It's not the entrance fee, its the fact that many many people inc the angry masses on FB about benefits/bedroom tax, etc simply can't afford to get to London, they should have regional events as well...

 

[butchersapron]

Little owen back in the trenches for the crime of being "critical of the Labour leadership." He should know by now that all communists are dead men on furlough.

 

[butchersapron]

It's not the entrance fee, its the fact that many many people inc the angry masses on FB about benefits/bedroom tax, etc simply can't afford to get to London, they should have regional events as well...

It is the bloody entrance fee thanks, and it is those things you mention as well.

 

[rosecore]

Karen Broady ‏@KarenBroady
@OwenJones84 That's right. I was told if you spoke LL support would be removed. @DrEoinCl

Labour Left hijacking the bedroom tax for political ends.

 

[treelover]

C'mon 4 pound for a whole day, I agree there should be solidarity collections to pay for those who just can't afford it

its one event, not the revolution, i think people are over-reacting..

 

[treelover]

Labour Left hijacking the bedroom tax for political ends.

Yes, Eion has been branding the facebook events with the Labour Left logo, unnaceptable, even the SWP didn't do that.

 

[butchersapron]

Labour Left hijacking the bedroom tax for political ends.

They are all labour party members - all three.

 

[butchersapron]

C'mon 4 pound for a whole day, I agree there should be solidarity collections to pay for those who just can't afford it

its one event, not the revolution, i think people are over-reacting..

It's only 4 quid unwaged - it's 8 quid otherwise. Amazing, i wonder how much it will cost to get into the soviets.

 

[muscovyduck]

Labour Left hijacking the bedroom tax for political ends.

Most people don't think Labour even belong at protests like such any more. Labour's only line of defence is to ask people to not turn the protest into something political (yes, I know) - aka "Don't point out how hypocritical we are, now, where's the photographer for the local newspaper?"

It happens a lot around my local area, people from smaller groups doing all the hard work and the main political parties taking the credit, usually by using the local press after telling the others that they shouldn't be going after brownie points with the public.