Well that's me told!
BBC - Owen Jones
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
good, I thought we were in for Joneses Sarah Teather moment
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Where is the money going?
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
past caring
The Cathars were right
Was looking out for you - didn't see you there.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I'm chuffed for you
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
Labour member elected as Labour councillor, Labour MP congratulates and OJ agrees with this line.
He is a Labour megaphone ie facing outwards "to the people" - something that's not been there for a while - but nothing special - zero ideas possibly sub-Laurie Penny, sadly.
He is a Labour megaphone ie facing outwards "to the people" - something that's not been there for a while - but nothing special - zero ideas possibly sub-Laurie Penny, sadly.
shifting gears
Well-Known Member
And how many more disgusting betrayals of the working class will it take before he pulls his head from his arse and withdraws his support for the treacherous, weak, morally bankrupt disgrace that labour has descended into?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Bizarre post.
the button
out on the kocker
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
Isn't it weird that a committed Keir Hardie-ist like Owen Jones is appearing on the same side on a platform with Tim Montgomerie (a figure so right-wing he attacked Obama and Cameron for withdrawing occupying forces from Iraq) and Ruth Porter (head of PR for the IEA, so right-wing it wants immediate vouchers for healthcare and schooling) to debate with other pro-Labour lefties Mehdi Hasan and Helen Lewis alongside Powellite Simon Heffer. Tickets £10.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Not really no.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
Laying into, means online tutting at them with this bold strategy:
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/314074934836097024
lesson from today's outrage: we need to get more Labour MPs selected who have a backbone and do what the party was founded to do
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
how long will it going to take him to realise
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Well, firstly, your attempted disassociation from the party of which you are a member through the use of 'them'. Secondly the idea that a 'on-line tutting' means much at all, and thirdly, your choice of tutting online at Eoin Clarke.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
It's not weird if you follow his trajectory carefully, it is a bit weird if you fully accept his LRC Labour Left politics outside the context in which it is operating. He worked for John McDonnell at Parliament, you wouldn't find John McDonnell doing anything like being on the same side as an IEA goon.
I actually used to think that he was all right despite being a bit of a labourite. what's going on? has he got further into the bubble
There is a problem, simply because he gives "rousing speeches" to already committed trades union people at rallies events across the country, doesn't mean he'll know better what needs to be done than anyone else. In which case why spend your columns telling us what to do, instead of organising the fightback against Lebedev.
yeah that mark ferguson blog is a bit dodgy i think. It was a small rebellion, that looked like the battered remnants of the socialist campaign group to me. If you measure the labour left by how many people it has in the House of Commons it's just a reminder of how few decent Labour MP's are left. I'm sure lots of Labour party members are furious about it, but so what, what does that matter when the PLP is solidly onside with the cuts and workfare and the rest of it? Also this sentence - "Last night one Labour rebel told me that as many as 2/3 of Labour MPs disagreed with the party line, and front benchers are believed to be among them." - sounds like bullshit to me, the likes of Tom Watson and Diane Abbott with "left-wing" reputations trying to save face after being caught out doing something naughty and it getting all over the social media. If 2/3 of Labour MP's disagreed with the party line it'd be a totally different party. Actions, not weasel words after the event, that's how these people will be judged.
It's not a case of Ed Miliband making a mess of it, why would the Labour leadership care or feel threatened by a rebellion of that size? Why would Ed Miliband be bothered when he knows the bulk of the PLP are on side, and when he knows what the polls say about the British public's attides to welfare and benefits? No, what he's doing is no different to what any other Labour party leader of the last half a century would do in the circumstances, it might be immoral if you're a principled socialist, but if you're a Labour leader wanting to win an election it's fairly sensible. Why everyone's shocked about this is a bit of mystery to me. Maybe it's because it's just one of those things no-one would've noticed years ago, but social media has changed how these things happen.
I would say there is some interesting elements in that, John Healey and Nick Brown, rebels, very surprising..
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
In what way?
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
I've been hearing this nonsense for the last 20 years of New Labour. People telling me that Robin Cook was "really" a red socialist, etc.
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