Bash the Rich!

[TopCat]

You're not rid of me so easily, you perfidious buffoon.

The material evidence isn't there - if it were, you'd readily provide it instead of making unsubstantiated inferences to past threads.

Most people here haven't got a clue about what you're talking about since you don't provide evidence. What you referring to is unconnected to anything mentioned in this particular thread making you 'the troll'.

One might assume that your sudden appearance in this troll-like fashion to vent your 'rage' at me points to an annoyance that I discussed the more unsavoury characteristics of Proudhon and his work, but since you just popped by to call me a 'pro-state apologist', I'll just say this: since the rise of the nation-state/industry/capitalism, borders have become the bane of the majority of ordinary people's lives - from the Baja to the Bedouin, from Sapmi to Jew and from migrant to asylum seeker, immigrant to refugee - state borders restrict human movement in a way hithertoo unexperienced in the history of mankind. Whilst they might work in administrative ways - they also work against the natural movement of peoples.

Can I ask that you and larry and guru all fuck off to another thread to discuss your tedious disagreements?

 

[nino_savatte]

And people have the brass neck to accuse me of personal spats and derailing threads?

 

[invisibleplanet]

Can I ask that you and larry and guru all fuck off to another thread to discuss your tedious disagreements?

You can, but I'd rather have had a chance to respond to such an accusation as 'pro-state apologist'. I have done so now, so please accept my apologies for for continuing a derail which I did not initiate.

Back to the thread.
Are you richer than me, TC?

 

[Dillinger4]

I only get called such things by defensive emptyheads like you. I mean, you've done nothing but attack me. Apart from calling me stupid names, you've said nothing. Which is to be expected, of course. You have nothing to say.

Isn't it funny that almost everyone thinks your a prick?

If you were as smart you think you are, you would get the hint.

 

[Dillinger4]

And people have the brass neck to accuse me of personal spats and derailing threads?

You are being outshone here nino.

 

[invisibleplanet]

The question is more; Will you come? If not why not? If not this then what etc etc...

The 'rule' here is 'Bash the Rich'.

If you're richer than me, that means I've to bash you.
If I'm richer than you, that means you've to bash me.

Since 'rich' is largely perceptive, then if you've got a car and house and I haven't, you're richer than me, and this 'rule' means I can bash you.

I can't afford to get to London and anyone who can afford to get there is richer than me, so according to this rule, they're deserving of a bashing from me, but this is largely impossible, since I can't reach them to bash them.

I chose to bash Proudhon, since he was richer than me, is dead, so can't complain and what I wrote about him is verifiable fact, and I commit no physical harm against another person by doing so. Those whose pride was dented by my doing so have no right to bash me, since I'm poorer than they, therefore they aren't entering into the spirit of the very event they pupport to support

 

[TopCat]

The 'rule' here is 'Bash the Rich'.

If you're richer than me, that means I've to bash you.
If I'm richer than you, that means you've to bash me.

Since 'rich' is largely perceptive, then if you've got a car and house and I haven't, you're richer than me, and this 'rule' means I can bash you.

I can't afford to get to London and anyone who can afford to get there is richer than me, so according to this rule, they're deserving of a bashing from me, but this is largely impossible, since I can't reach them to bash them.

I chose to bash Proudhon, since he was richer than me, is dead, so can't complain and what I wrote about him is verifiable fact, and I commit no physical harm against another person by doing so. Those whose pride was dented by my doing so have no right to bash me, since I'm poorer than they, therefore they aren't entering into the spirit of the very event they pupport to support

Well your lack of perception can in my opinion only really be explained by a total lack of class analysis. As for the pedantic questions, this demo is principally about having a go at an etonite coke head who wants to rule the country. We oppose that hence the demo. If you agree come along, if not don't. Simple innit.

 

[invisibleplanet]

I don't think it's got anything to with with a lack of class analysis, TC.

 

[nino_savatte]

You are being outshone here nino.

Innit? I shall remind all of the participants of this the next time anyone tries to lay into me about "personal spats".

 

[invisibleplanet]

Well your lack of perception can in my opinion only really be explained by a total lack of class analysis. As for the pedantic questions, this demo is principally about having a go at an etonite coke head who wants to rule the country. We oppose that hence the demo. If you agree come along, if not don't. Simple innit.

Why would anarchists single out Cameron and not Brown? Why would anarchists single out figureheads, and not the protest against the entire nature of this hierarchical and unrepresentative system of government?

This demo looks pro-Government, but anti-Tory-leader - it works for Labour/Leftists who believe in a hierarchical top-down system but has sweet FA to do with anarchism.

Why aren't your efforts focused on the 'eradicate Islam' Vlaams co-ordinated demo across USA/UK/Belgium happening the weekend before?
I'd like to think that you'd have been with us at the Battle of Cable Street. Whatever happened to No Pasarán!

Tell me, what's anarchist about this demo?

 

[Larry O'Hara]

You're not rid of me so easily, you perfidious buffoon.

The material evidence isn't there - if it were, you'd readily provide it instead of making unsubstantiated inferences to past threads.

Most people here haven't got a clue about what you're talking about since you don't provide evidence. What you referring to is unconnected to anything mentioned in this particular thread making you 'the troll'.

One might assume that your sudden appearance in this troll-like fashion to vent your 'rage' at me points to an annoyance that I discussed the more unsavoury characteristics of Proudhon and his work, but since you just popped by to call me a 'pro-state apologist', I'll just say this: since the rise of the nation-state/industry/capitalism, borders have become the bane of the majority of ordinary people's lives - from the Baja to the Bedouin, from Sapmi to Jew and from migrant to asylum seeker, immigrant to refugee - state borders restrict human movement in a way hithertoo unexperienced in the history of mankind. Whilst they might work in administrative ways - they also work against the natural movement of peoples.

To call you a buffoon might be an insult to buffoons--so I won't.

You presume, by introducing irrelvancies, that this passes as an answer to my comment about your posting history--you and I both know it doesn't.

 

[invisibleplanet]

To call you a buffoon might be an insult to buffoons--so I won't.

You presume, by introducing irrelvancies, that this passes as an answer to my comment about your posting history--you and I both know it doesn't.

Obfuscation. Prove or stfu.

 

[TopCat]

I give up. Can't you meet for a straightner and be done with it?

 

[dash_two]

Maybe invisibleplanet is upset cos his parents live along the route.

 

[invisibleplanet]

<gets naked in protest>

 

[ChrisFilter]

Bash the Rich? What a pile of wank.. what does it hope to achieve? Seems to me like one bitter bloke has attracted cohorts thanks to excessive foaming at the mouth.

If the point is that the rich get easy access to further wealth and positions of power, well duh, no shit, but smashing things up and alienating yourself from society through bitter meaningless protests isn't going to achieve a fucking thing.

Or have I missed the point?

 

[TopCat]

Bash the Rich? What a pile of wank.. what does it hope to achieve? Seems to me like one bitter bloke has attracted cohorts thanks to excessive foaming at the mouth.

If the point is that the rich get easy access to further wealth and positions of power, well duh, no shit, but smashing things up and alienating yourself from society through bitter meaningless protests isn't going to achieve a fucking thing.

Or have I missed the point?

By miles.

 

[ChrisFilter]

By miles.

At least I'm consistent. This is why I never bother with the politics forums

 

[Larry O'Hara]

<gets naked in protest>

pity it isn't you...

 

[invisibleplanet]

I only get called such things by defensive emptyheads like you. I mean, you've done nothing but attack me. Apart from calling me stupid names, you've said nothing. Which is to be expected, of course. You have nothing to say.

afaik, Dillinger4 doesn't usually insult people. He's normally playful and good natured. You must have really annoyed him.

 

[invisibleplanet]

pity it isn't you...

click image for Greenham Common Peace Camp Archive Slideshow​

Perhaps one of these lovely Revolutionary Knitting Circle Ladies could be me?

 

[Spion]

pity it isn't you...

Larry's research skills are quite something. The secret state ain't gonna get away with anything with our Lazzer alert to their shennanigans

 

[Spion]

By miles.

And of course, no-one is going to tell anyone what the point is, are they? You fellahs really are some shit hot agitators

 

[The Black Hand]

Bash the rich protests started in Chicago in America when Lucy Parsons cogently argued that the poor who were starving and dying, some by throwing themselves into Lake Michigan, should go the the areas of the rich and outside their posh restuarants where they fed their fat guts - take a knife or gun and shoot and stab the rich as they come out. Better to die standing with a gun in your hand than on your knees. Similar to how Zapata thought too, and a lot of other class struggle anarchists, and communists. Even EP Thompson critisised the moral high ground position of Ghandi and others that lead thousands to starve, while the rich had vast stores of grain and full shops.

 

[october_lost]

Bash the rich protests started in Chicago in America when Lucy Parsons cogently argued that the poor who were starving and dying, some by throwing themselves into Lake Michigan, should go the the areas of the rich and outside their posh restuarants where they fed their fat guts - take a knife or gun and shoot and stab the rich as they come out. Better to die standing with a gun in your hand than on your knees. Similar to how Zapata thought too, and a lot of other class struggle anarchists, and communists. Even EP Thompson critisised the moral high ground position of Ghandi and others that lead thousands to starve, while the rich had vast stores of grain and full shops.

And thats a comparison for our times?

 

[durruti02]

And people have the brass neck to accuse me of personal spats and derailing threads?

nino .. i formally and humbley and with brass neck apologise ..

( till you do it to me again! )

not sure i will come .. police tactics have changed a lot since the 8ts .. suspect i will be in the area as it were

to the knockers .. politics is surely multi layered .. we all must do what we do best .. i find it hard to believe this event does NOT have a place in the process even though it might seem a waste of time to many

tbh it is amazing in these divided times that more of the left are not picking up on class division .. london is a cesspit of the rich these days and bar occassional attacks on city bonuses ( and no more than from the daily mail LOL) we hear nowt from our leftist wannabe leaders

 

[The Black Hand]

And thats a comparison for our times?

No, I am talking about the historical pedigree of the idea and its real development so far. You will have to ask Ian Bone for the current theoretical positioning of this Bash the Rich.

I will have a brief stab though - this campaign seeks to organise an anti gentrification campaign; through networking and targetted direct action to focus the cases eg. Kilmartin, on a more general target which is a logical associated symptom of gentrification issues. As such, it is a propaganda event designed to shout to the masses the slogans of their own struggle, to operate outside of the social democratic political framework, to try to engage those who are pissed off with the status quo. The particular event on November 3rd should be seen as a moment of the class struggle and class struggle movement, not the end.

 

[nino_savatte]

nino .. i formally and humbley and with brass neck apologise ..

( till you do it to me again! )

not sure i will come .. police tactics have changed a lot since the 8ts .. suspect i will be in the area as it were

to the knockers .. politics is surely multi layered .. we all must do what we do best .. i find it hard to believe this event does NOT have a place in the process even though it might seem a waste of time to many

tbh it is amazing in these divided times that more of the left are not picking up on class division .. london is a cesspit of the rich these days and bar occassional attacks on city bonuses ( and no more than from the daily mail LOL) we hear nowt from our leftist wannabe leaders

Well, this is a turn up for the books. You see, there are a lot of posters who do the same thing as me and some spend their entire time here derailing threads. However I do object to the use of that accusation as a means of escape - and many people use it because they lack honesty.

 

[bristol_citizen]

Well, this thread's going well.

Isn't it just? It's amazing. You set up a thread, nobody contributes for weeks on end, then 12 contributors all show up at once.

Anyway, what I actually wanted to do was say that the Bash the Rich Radical History Tour of Notting Hill pamphlet is now available on the Bash the Rich blog.

Alternatively you can purchase a limited edition (of just 500) hard copy version from the Anarchist Book Fair next week for just £1.00.

It's actually a surprisingly good read too.

 

[In Bloom]

No, I am talking about the historical pedigree of the idea and its real development so far. You will have to ask Ian Bone for the current theoretical positioning of this Bash the Rich.

I will have a brief stab though - this campaign seeks to organise an anti gentrification campaign; through networking and targetted direct action to focus the cases eg. Kilmartin, on a more general target which is a logical associated symptom of gentrification issues. As such, it is a propaganda event designed to shout to the masses the slogans of their own struggle, to operate outside of the social democratic political framework, to try to engage those who are pissed off with the status quo. The particular event on November 3rd should be seen as a moment of the class struggle and class struggle movement, not the end.

The reality is that it's nothing of the kind. This march has SFA to do with class struggle, it's completely disconnected from the everyday struggles of working class people. You lot are all mouth, no trousers.