Bash the Rich!

[The Black Hand]

The reality is that it's nothing of the kind. This march has SFA to do with class struggle, it's completely disconnected from the everyday struggles of working class people. You lot are all mouth, no trousers.

That is a totally piss poor not theoretical reply.

If I was to apply your judgement upon you it would say that you are no mouth, no trousers, no balls, nothing. You do jack shit

 

[In Bloom]

That is a totally piss poor not theoretical reply.

If I was to apply your judgement upon you it would say that you are no mouth, no trousers, no balls, nothing. You do jack shit

Except that that's bollocks and you know it. You can rage and scream and accuse everybody who disagrees with you of doing nothing all you like, but it won't make it true.

 

[In Bloom]

When it comes down to it, Class War and the milleu surrounding them are all about spectacle. It's all big, flashy stunts and nostalgia over riots long past.

Maybe it's me, but personally, I'm just not interested in wasting my time chasing after feeble attempts at recreating a past moment that never even occurred.

 

[october_lost]

I will have a brief stab though - this campaign seeks to organise an anti gentrification campaign; through networking and targetted direct action to focus the cases eg. Kilmartin, on a more general target which is a logical associated symptom of gentrification issues. As such, it is a propaganda event designed to shout to the masses the slogans of their own struggle, to operate outside of the social democratic political framework, to try to engage those who are pissed off with the status quo. The particular event on November 3rd should be seen as a moment of the class struggle and class struggle movement, not the end.

Surely we should contribute to peoples struggle at the point they arise. I mean is this a propaganda exercise, a network, direct action or what?

 

[The Black Hand]

When it comes down to it, Class War and the milleu surrounding them are all about spectacle. It's all big, flashy stunts and nostalgia over riots long past.

Maybe it's me, but personally, I'm just not interested in wasting my time chasing after feeble attempts at recreating a past moment that never even occurred.

You're doomed to repeating the past cos you say it so many times nobodies listens.

In Bloom - your social democratic activity does not count as anarchist action. In the article about 'what the af did last year' there was nothing to distinguish you from the social democrats you say you are against. Anyway, I do not want to argue with you, but you started it and drew my fire. I would rather have a drink at the bookfair as I previously indicated.

 

[The Black Hand]

Surely we should contribute to peoples struggle at the point they arise. I mean is this a propaganda exercise, a network, direct action or what?

Peoples struggles manifest in different ways - how do we contribute to peoples struggles when they phone in sick en masse for example. In short - we do not need to, it is patronising to think working people need help. That attitude is very similar to the British philanthropic tradition which never goes beyond mediating class struggles.

Actions do not have to be 'this' or 'that' or the 'other'. They can be all three, especially when the gentrification issue is such a large one with so very many cases. How do we encourage those to stand up against the bosses/toffs? With Kilmartin for example - he is very happy to join in on a wider agenda. This is the stuff of the class struggle, spreading the struggles that arise and shouting to the multitude the slogans of their own struggles.

And I say this as someone NOT involved in the event at all - who has their own event up North to do that day. But I can recognise the possibilities inherent in imaginative direct action, involving different working class people, against widely recognised class targets. This is the working class organising for itself, it is just that critics are too blinkered to see and would rather criticise rather than do anything innovative themselves.

 

[TopCat]

When it comes down to it, Class War and the milleu surrounding them are all about spectacle. It's all big, flashy stunts and nostalgia over riots long past.

Maybe it's me, but personally, I'm just not interested in wasting my time chasing after feeble attempts at recreating a past moment that never even occurred.

But why waste you time argung about it here? Have you not got some doorstepping to do? Or workmates to bore?

 

[In Bloom]

But why waste you time argung about it here? Have you not got some doorstepping to do? Or workmates to bore?

It's half term

 

[TopCat]

Well go patch your corderoy trousers and elbow patches then.

 

[In Bloom]

Patch my elbow patches? Why on earth would I do that?

Anyway, the central point here is that workplace organisation is really, really boring. Let's all just drop out, grow some dreadlocks and join a CrimeThinc collective. That'll show the capitalist bastards.

 

[TopCat]

Patch my elbow patches? Why on earth would I do that?

Anyway, the central point here is that workplace organisation is really, really boring. Let's all just drop out, grow some dreadlocks and join a CrimeThinc collective. That'll show the capitalist bastards.

Dreadlocks? They might suit you and your lifestyle but I can't see any of my political mates going for it.

What progress has "your approach" achieved to date?

 

[The Black Hand]

Patch my elbow patches? Why on earth would I do that?

Just to clarify - top cat was saying that your old man jacket with elbow patches on needs those patches patching. Ugedit?

 

[Yelkcub]

The question is more; Will you come? If not why not? If not this then what etc etc...

Define 'the rich' so people can decided if they'll be bashing or being bashed.

 

[TopCat]

Define 'the rich' so people can decided if they'll be bashing or being bashed.

Did you go to Eton?

 

[Yelkcub]

Did you go to Eton?

No.

 

[nino_savatte]

Did you go to Eton?

No, Uppingham this one.

 

[The Black Hand]

Define 'the rich' so people can decided if they'll be bashing or being bashed.

You are being very stupid. As if people are really that bothered? If you know you hate the rich you know it - if you know you are rich you know it.

It is only those who are too pathetic, stupid, or are wilfully seeking problems, who want these sorts of silly questions answered. Given that a top tory toff is the named target, you know whether you come close to being like him or not. Get real.

 

[In Bloom]

Just to clarify - top cat was saying that your old man jacket with elbow patches on needs those patches patching. Ugedit?

There was something to get?

In any case, I'm not that sort. I have a leather jacket and a ponytail. Sometimes I tell the pupils that Mr. Bloom was my dad's name and they should come down to the SENCO and 'rap' with me any time they feel like it.

 

[invisibleplanet]

I hate the Romans as much as anybody

 

[GuruYoghourt]

You are being very stupid. As if people are really that bothered? If you know you hate the rich you know it - if you know you are rich you know it.

It is only those who are too pathetic, stupid, or are wilfully seeking problems, who want these sorts of silly questions answered. Given that a top tory toff is the named target, you know whether you come close to being like him or not. Get real.

I've been watching this thread with some amusement, and have deliberately not written anything for few days so the resident anarchists might expose their shortcomings. They have...

Attica, I'd like you to tell me what your position on the rich would be if you had been born rich. I'm not taking puerile insults as an answer this time, which is all I've seen you write so far.

Now, do you accept that your political position is a product of your class position, or do you fancy being smacked about the head by a bit of historical materialism?

 

[butchersapron]

Dialectical materialism more like. Stalinist dia-mat. The crudest of economic determinism.

You actually think he's arguing against the idea that you mention in your last line?

And what an absurd question? What an absurd thrust - 'I'd like you to tell me what your position on the rich would be if you had been born rich'.

Is this the rapier like mind of a pure marxist at work? Or some soppy liberal. Are you a pacifist too?

 

[Dillinger4]

I've been watching this thread with some amusement, and have deliberately not written anything for few days so the resident anarchists might expose their shortcomings. They have...

Attica, I'd like you to tell me what your position on the rich would be if you had been born rich. I'm not taking puerile insults as an answer this time, which is all I've seen you write so far.

Now, do you accept that your political position is a product of your class position, or do you fancy being smacked about the head by a bit of historical materialism?

You fools. You have all fallen into the trap so cunningly set up by Guruyoghourt. Now you have to face his condescension all over again.

Its all for his amusement.

 

[Dillinger4]

Dialectical materialism more like. Stalinist dia-mat. The crudest of economic determinism.

You actually think he's arguing against the idea that you mention in your last line?

And what an absurd question? What an absurd thrust - 'I'd like you to tell me what your position on the rich would be if you had been born rich'.

Is this the rapier like mind of a pure marxist at work? Or some soppy liberal. Are you a pacifist too?

Nah. He is just a fucking prick.

 

[butchersapron]

Attica, I'd like you to tell me what your position on the rich would be if you had been born rich. I'm not taking puerile insults as an answer this time, which is all I've seen you write so far.

Were you born poor or rich Mr yogurt?

 

[GuruYoghourt]

Dialectical materialism more like. Stalinist dia-mat. The crudest of economic determinism.

You actually think he's arguing against the idea that you mention in your last line?

And what an absurd question? What an absurd thrust - 'I'd like you to tell me what your position on the rich would be if you had been born rich'.

Is this the rapier like mind of a pure marxist at work? Or some soppy liberal. Are you a pacifist too?

I'm certain that he wouldn't want to argue against it. He must be very well aware that his position collapses in a puff of logic if he even acknowledges the false step in his thinking that I exposed dozens of postings ago.

As for your apparently unrelated questions, one, I'm not a pacifist. Actually, I'm a highly-trained and honed warrior. Two, I accept historical materialism as a useful tool for analysing things that happen, and the labour theory of value is the most accurate analysis of capitalism to date. If that makes me a 'pure' Marxist then yeah, guilty as charged.

You might think my question absurd. History shows us that ideas are a social construct. Attica would not hate the rich if he didn't feel so impoverished. What he needs to do is to let go of his rage and develop ways of really changing the world. Filling it with more hate and violence isn't a way forward.

 

[butchersapron]

So you set him a false question. Declare yourself a pure marxist and then offer us some gcse teenage marxist guff about the social construction of ideas (ideologies even!). What on earth do you think that you're bringing to the pot?

I'm not even going to get onto the 'pure marxism' of 'Attica would not hate the rich if he didn't feel so impoverished. What he needs to do is to let go of his rage and develop ways of really changing the world'. Because, it's a joke right?

 

[GuruYoghourt]

You fools. You have all fallen into the trap so cunningly set up by Guruyoghourt. Now you have to face his condescension all over again.

Its all for his amusement.

No, Dillinger, you buffoon, it's about your education.

 

[GuruYoghourt]

So you set him a false question. Declare yourself a pure marxist and then offer us some gcse teenage marxist guff about the social construction of ideas (ideologies even!). What on earth do you think that you're bringing to the pot?

I'm not even going to get onto the 'pure marxism' of 'Attica would not hate the rich if he didn't feel so impoverished. What he needs to do is to let go of his rage and develop ways of really changing the world'. Because, it's a joke right?

How foolish can you be? Having fun finding out? Good. Show me where I ever declared anything of the sort? Don't bother. You can't do it. The 'pure marxist' shite is just another name I've been called by people who can't, or refuse to think about what I've written. Problem with people like you is that all you can do is nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction to those who challenge you.

I'm not joking here. I happen to know that you don't get rid of the problems of capitalism without abolishing capitalism. You might not want to take on the thankless task of educating people that way, and no doubt there are reasons for that, but you need to stop kidding yourself that token protest is going to change a thing. History shows that it doesn't.

 

[butchersapron]

Attica, I'd like you to tell me what your position on the rich would be if you had been born rich. I'm not taking puerile insults as an answer this time, which is all I've seen you write so far.

Were you born poor or rich Mr yogurt?

 

[butchersapron]

How foolish can you be? Having fun finding out? Good. Show me where I ever declared anything of the sort? Don't bother. You can't do it. The 'pure marxist' shite is just another name I've been called by people who can't, or refuse to think about what I've written. Problem with people like you is that all you can do is nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction to those who challenge you.

I'm not joking here. I happen to know that you don't get rid of the problems of capitalism without abolishing capitalism. You might not want to take on the thankless task of educating people that way, and no doubt there are reasons for that, but you need to stop kidding yourself that token protest is going to change a thing. History shows that it doesn't.

Is this your best tuesday rhetoric young man? Really? Can't you do a little better?

The problem is not that posters here don't recognise the necessity of abolishing capitalism, just that they reject the necessity of being bored into it by your 'education' instead of it being an active developement of their own self activity centred around their own self-identified needs and met by their own self-organisation - not by you, and not by your beard.