MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
I am surprised by that number, I would have guessed a few hundred at most
Banning Private Jets
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Not that I’d lose any sleep if private jet use was banned, or wish to make this a whatabouttery comment, but surely the leisurely use of large yachts must be orders of magnitude more environmentally damaging than private jet use. How many gallons of diesel per day does your average 75-foot posh small yacht guzzles?
About 25 years ago my boss was invited to sail by his very rich mate between Barcelona and Ibiza on pretty much the smallest Sunseeker model. It cost the guy £1,500 in fuel then, which must have been shit loads of litres. Fuck knows the Russian oligarch-class super yachts consume per mile.
Never mind the fact that whereas the journey could be undertaken in a far more efficient manner, at least private jets usually provide a transportation service that in most cases is going to take place out of the necessity of travel. Whereas all those lovely 1%ers who spend 50k to hire a Below Deck-style luxury boat do so just to hop between Mallorca and Ibiza for a weekend’s break, whereas they could have rented an super exclusive luxury castle that’s far more impressive for less money and about 5% of the environmental footprint.
Certainly not an either/or observation, but we should be talking about luxury yacht usage as much or far more than private yet use. But for whatever reason celebrities, politicians and likes seem to get far less criticism (if any) when photographed relaxing on a yacht touring the Med than for flying on private planes.
About 25 years ago my boss was invited to sail by his very rich mate between Barcelona and Ibiza on pretty much the smallest Sunseeker model. It cost the guy £1,500 in fuel then, which must have been shit loads of litres. Fuck knows the Russian oligarch-class super yachts consume per mile.
Never mind the fact that whereas the journey could be undertaken in a far more efficient manner, at least private jets usually provide a transportation service that in most cases is going to take place out of the necessity of travel. Whereas all those lovely 1%ers who spend 50k to hire a Below Deck-style luxury boat do so just to hop between Mallorca and Ibiza for a weekend’s break, whereas they could have rented an super exclusive luxury castle that’s far more impressive for less money and about 5% of the environmental footprint.
Certainly not an either/or observation, but we should be talking about luxury yacht usage as much or far more than private yet use. But for whatever reason celebrities, politicians and likes seem to get far less criticism (if any) when photographed relaxing on a yacht touring the Med than for flying on private planes.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Bezos has a new boat, it has sails, but still goes under engine power much of the time. It has a support vessel the size of a regular super-yacht, that has the helipads on so he can get from PJ to heli to ship. Then there's the 100's of staff involved in supporting this, they need to be ferried in from around the world and replaced every month or so with fresh crew.
The carbon foot of him lording it about the place must be knocking on an entire small African nation's.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
A friend of mine once visited a Russian oligarch’s yacht which had a fresh-water fountain installed on it
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
The yacht has a figurehead modelled on Lauren Sanchez, Evil Overlord's current girlfriend. This could be a tad awkward if they break up.
Tbh if I were in his position not totally sure how Mrs Q would react to me having her as the boat's figurehead.
She would utterly love the idea or utterly hate it she definitely would not be indifferent about it.
In fact since she is downstairs at the moment due to it being half term I will ask her when I go to make a cuppa at 10 and see what she says.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
I chickened out, when I went downstairs she was watching a video to prepare for one of her classes next week and there was no plausible way I could work my question into the conversation without as you say her thnking i had 'finally lost the fucking plot'
"What's that video about dear?"
"Maths, calculating motion and acceleration"
"That's interesting, what do you think about used for a wooden model for a ship's figurehead?"
No matter how I played that conversation in my head there were no rational answers to the barrage of questions that would have followed. I will have to bide my time and pick my moment carefully.
editor
hiraethified
Pretty hard to argue against the banning of private jets:
Private jets cause 14 times more pollution than commercial flights.
Yet billionaires get massive tax subsidies that help them fly private all over the world. They're getting a bargain for destroying the climate.
But new laws to tax private jets are being introduced around the world, and momentum is finally building to shut down this billionaire free-ride.
Add your name to demand taxing private jets -- when enough join, we'll launch a media blitz in key countries:
No more free rides for billionaires, tax private jets
From the US to France, governments have introduced legislation that would finally tax private jets, and some airports including Schiphol in Amsterdam are banning private jets entirely.
The top 1% are responsible for more than twice as much carbon dioxide pollution as the bottom 50% and yet these billionaires continue to pollute our skies and worsen the climate crisis without any accountability.
Lawmakers in the US are proposing a tax on private jet fuel use, and those funds would go towards climate justice and support for transitioning to renewable energy. But the ultra-wealthy are also ultra-powerful and if we want to succeed in reining them in, we need everyone's help to make our call huge.
This truly is a global crisis and legislation in one country can impact not just other governments' legislation but the actual global climate. To truly address climate change, we need everyone everywhere. Add your name to the petition and share this widely -- we'll deliver our call to key lawmakers around the world.
Tell governments: no more free rides for billionaires, tax private jets
www.theguardian.com
Private jets cause 14 times more pollution than commercial flights.
Yet billionaires get massive tax subsidies that help them fly private all over the world. They're getting a bargain for destroying the climate.
But new laws to tax private jets are being introduced around the world, and momentum is finally building to shut down this billionaire free-ride.
Add your name to demand taxing private jets -- when enough join, we'll launch a media blitz in key countries:
No more free rides for billionaires, tax private jets
From the US to France, governments have introduced legislation that would finally tax private jets, and some airports including Schiphol in Amsterdam are banning private jets entirely.
The top 1% are responsible for more than twice as much carbon dioxide pollution as the bottom 50% and yet these billionaires continue to pollute our skies and worsen the climate crisis without any accountability.
Lawmakers in the US are proposing a tax on private jet fuel use, and those funds would go towards climate justice and support for transitioning to renewable energy. But the ultra-wealthy are also ultra-powerful and if we want to succeed in reining them in, we need everyone's help to make our call huge.
This truly is a global crisis and legislation in one country can impact not just other governments' legislation but the actual global climate. To truly address climate change, we need everyone everywhere. Add your name to the petition and share this widely -- we'll deliver our call to key lawmakers around the world.
Tell governments: no more free rides for billionaires, tax private jets
Private jets are awful for the climate. It’s time to tax the rich who fly in them | Edward J Markey
Private flights pollute up to 14 times more than commercial ones – yet are taxed less. Let’s change that
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Had a punter just this week wanting to take a dog from Palma to Salzburg, the only direct carrier doesn’t allow dogs in cabin, so they went with NetJets. That was pretty fucking disgusting. They own a company you will all have heard of, can’t imagine anyone on here buys their crap, in spite of them being present on many a high street here and worldwide.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
This post is the first I have ever heard of NetJets, just googled them to discover they have a fleet of 100+ private aircraft for lugging rich people around. There is a whole world out there that I know nowt about isn't there?
Can anyone else see an image of Donald Trump off the east coast of Canada?
newme
Giant in Pastyland now
Not read any of this bur what's a private jet v a non private one? Is more usage of the input to the plane worse or better and to what degree. What's rhe £€$¥ etc per mile per passenger equivalent and how's that relate to other miles. Etc.i have no opinion. Convince.me either way.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
there is an argument for doing that very thing in that it would answer your questions
newme
Giant in Pastyland now
It could be also argued that's a small percentage and the rest of it makes up the most overall. It's unfair certainly on a per person basis but also in the recycle your plastic v whatever country dumping them in the sea it's also a negligible action. I don't use straws now but it's useless. V the packaging I receive from online sales is hundreds of times less. Not complaint about either just a general comment about overall effectiveness every little helps. Unless its multiplied several times then thrown in the sea.
Need an international consensus we won't get. I don't have an answer to this.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
The suggestion is that if you read the thread such things as "what's a private jet v a non private one" would be clear. Or, if it wasn't, you could add a reply saying "this part isn't clear".
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A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Of course, happy to oblige, why should you waste your time having to read the thread? Someone like you is far too important . So a privet jet is a jet made of privet : see below.
Whilst a non private jet isn’t.
Happy to help.
newme
Giant in Pastyland now
Fair enough I had whiskey and loudly singing neighbours.
gosub
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Apart from the covienience , descretion etc
bcuster
Well-Known Member
‘Disgusting’ photo of John Travolta’s home sparks outrage online: ‘It’s absolutely ridiculous’
"His carbon footprint is larger than a small city."
8ball
Decolonise colons!
‘Disgusting’ photo of John Travolta’s home sparks outrage online: ‘It’s absolutely ridiculous’
"His carbon footprint is larger than a small city."www.yahoo.com
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Whoah - that is cool.
Really should put up some solar panels or have a veggie garden, though, gotta do your bit.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Can we ban SUVs/MPVs as well please?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
‘Disgusting’ photo of John Travolta’s home sparks outrage online: ‘It’s absolutely ridiculous’
"His carbon footprint is larger than a small city."
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It gets worse, the runway is shared with his neighbours, there's a bunch of houses just like that all with access to the same runway. Clearly only Travolta has the Boeing 707, but the neighbours have jets and shit that they use as everyday transport, which is why they live there.
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
Dread to think what the house insurance is like - having a plane parked next to it with presumably thousands of litres of fuel in it increases the risk considerably.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Still lots available, should you wish to up sticks to Florida...
Jumbolair Aviation & Equestrian Estates
jumbolair.com
We already have a thread for that
