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Related to banning short haul flights, some political commentator on a TV channel (I honestly can't remember which, I watched it on YouTube about 5 days ago) a political pundit said that private jets should be banned first.

I don't believe that private jets should be banned overnight, but I do think overtime they should be phased out.

There's no longer an excuse for keeping them because there appears to be a new type of private plane on the horizon that those lucky enough to afford them, can use to fly around all over the place while using just a fraction of the fuel that they would have done on a jet.

 
Johnny Vodka said:
Would have no problem banning private jets.
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The market would do a good job of it on it's own, IMHO.

If you were to charter a plane for a business trip, why would you want to pay 5 times us much to get to an airport that is further away from your final destination?

Not only will this new type of plane save money on the airtrip, because it can land at many more airports, it's going to get it's passengers a lot closer to where they want to be.

If they can get this thing out the door and past the safety regulators, it will take the charter market by storm - but that's just my opinion - I'm not an aviation expert.
 
A big part of the point of a private jet is the conspicuous squandering of resources. So a tiny, efficient private plane would be unlikely to take that market by storm.

Most of the people on business trips could do whatever stupid shit they need to do just as easily with a video call. And yet Zoom hasn't killed private flights. Because the point is not to get somewhere and do something, the point is to make yourself feel special and important.
 
SpookyFrank said:
A big part of the point of a private jet is the conspicuous squandering of resources. So a tiny, efficient private plane would be unlikely to take that market by storm.

Most of the people on business trips could do whatever stupid shit they need to do just as easily with a video call. And yet Zoom hasn't killed private flights. Because the point is not to get somewhere and do something, the point is to make yourself feel special and important.
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100% agree about Zoom or whatever, but my last few times through Manchester Airport. Well I can see why the rich would pay to avoid that.

But I wouldnt be opposed to a MH17 type solution...
 
SpookyFrank said:
A big part of the point of a private jet is the conspicuous squandering of resources. So a tiny, efficient private plane would be unlikely to take that market by storm.

Most of the people on business trips could do whatever stupid shit they need to do just as easily with a video call. And yet Zoom hasn't killed private flights. Because the point is not to get somewhere and do something, the point is to make yourself feel special and important.
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Are you talking about the private charter market?

If we are talking about those that make themselves feel special, they get that from travelling with just a few people they know, or even alone, not by how much fuel they burn up.

Those that actually own jets with exception of people like John Travolta, use them because at a drop of a hat they want to meet someone face to face for a deal, normally then having to see something up close, be it a collection of expensive merchandise, a property tour, factory tour. They want to see what they are buying.

These aren't people who I believe are just burning money for the sake of it. They genuinely believe they are saving money by being able to get to where they want to get as quickly as possible.

I admit that I'm one of those people who would love all of these nice things ... but who wants to pay extra money to get it?

If I buy a yacht, why not buy a solar powered electric one and save a shit tonne of money by not having to buy fuel? Electric motors are way cheaper to maintain than diesel engines.

The money saved, then more money left to make more money.

You may disagree with capitalism, but I'm just explaining the mindset. So no, I can't see people buying or chartering jets if they can get from A to B for less than 1/5 of the price.
 
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StakerOne said:
Let me know when you can control the wind. In the meantime, I'd rather go where I please with solar panels + batteries + electric motor.
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Let me know when you can control the clouds. Our boat has an 8hp diesel motor to get it out of the Beaulieu River, once on the Solent the sails come out and free cruising is nice as you like and no African kids had to mine any crap for your pleasure. If the wind doesn't blow, don't go.
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
Let me know when you can control the clouds. Our boat has an 8hp diesel motor to get it out of the Beaulieu River, once on the Solent the sails come out and free cruising is nice as you like and no African kids had to mine any crap for your pleasure. If the wind doesn't blow, don't go.
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Let me know when you understand what batteries are.
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
Things that store electricity once children have their lives ruined mining the rare earth metals to make them work?
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Your mobile phone isn't running off lithium batteries then?

Part of the lithium market involves child slave labour. My understanding is that it can't be seperated out from the rest and we all end up buying tainted lithium.

Please don't get all sanctimonious. It doesn't suit you.

There are lithium alternatives in the pipeworks, I'm sure we'll make the switch when we can.
 
SpookyFrank said:
A big part of the point of a private jet is the conspicuous squandering of resources. So a tiny, efficient private plane would be unlikely to take that market by storm.
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My understanding of the private jet market is that purchasing one can be incredibly tax-efficient, or at least efficient at reducing overall exposure to tax. Its a complex one but in the business case the purchase price of an aircraft is fully tax deductible. Which is great when you have the need to "lose" a large amount of money for tax purposes.

Then there is the double benefit of depreciation (5 years at 20%pa) and running costs being deductible on an ongoing basis.

The UK only requires proof that a private aircraft is used 20% of the time as a business asset to gain tax advantages, whilst the US needs 50% -After that, aviation fuel duty is only payable on true personal/pleasure flights.

The EU were trying to do something about this by introducing a carbon-output based charge for all private jet use but I suppose to the rich cunts, its loss is a tangible Brexit benefit!
 
pogofish said:
My understanding of the private jet market is that purchasing one can be incredibly tax-efficient, or at least efficient at reducing overall exposure to tax. Its a complex one but in the business case the purchase price of an aircraft is fully tax deductible. Which is great when you have the need to "lose" a large amount of money for tax purposes.

Then there is the double benefit of depreciation (5 years at 20%pa) and running costs being deductible on an ongoing basis.

The UK only requires proof that a private aircraft is used 20% of the time as a business asset to gain tax advantages, whilst the US needs 50% -After that, aviation fuel duty is only payable on true personal/pleasure flights.

The EU were trying to do something about this by introducing a carbon-output based charge for all private jet use but I suppose to the rich cunts, its loss is a tangible Brexit benefit!
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That was what Lewis Hamilton did, while winning UK sports personality of the year despite being from Monaco and not doing any sport.

They could do with sorting out the tax breaks for those stupid pickup truck things as well. Most of the ones I see are clearly not being used for trade.
 
But ... but ... but ... we're going to have a new generation of ethical environmentally sound private jets that won't cause pollution of any kind. THAT's why we shouldn't oppress the fantastically rich by banning the shitty polluting ones they've got now. The market will sort it all out just like it has solved global heating.

Eventually. Or it may not but who cares eh.
 
Private jets exist for the same reason that exclusive gym clubs or golf courses exist, so that the people using them don't have to mix with the Yahoo's. There is no way private planes are ever going to be banned, the people who might make the decision to ban them also use them and talk to the other people who do and not to the grubby peasants demanding they be banned.
Even the French who are more egalitarian than us or the Americans have started by trying to encourage the Great Unwashed to use trains rather than banning private planes.
As for this fugly thing wll maybe it will take off especially in the US where most private flights occur, I can see the 80% off fuel cost appealing to corporate accountants.
The only way that emissions from flying private or otherwise is going to come down is from technological advances either through contraptions like these (and it might be a great seller for all I know, chance for the super-rich to claim how much they love the planet) or through things like eco-fuels which are made by recycling CO2 out of the atmosphere.
 
SpookyFrank said:
A big part of the point of a private jet is the conspicuous squandering of resources. So a tiny, efficient private plane would be unlikely to take that market by storm.

Most of the people on business trips could do whatever stupid shit they need to do just as easily with a video call. And yet Zoom hasn't killed private flights. Because the point is not to get somewhere and do something, the point is to make yourself feel special and important.
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Quite a segmented market but that one exists.

Other factors include pets and luggage, convenience and discretion.

Owners have another thing....your average owner has to travel...hanging around anywhere too long will get them a tax bill

pogofish said:
My understanding of the private jet market is that purchasing one can be incredibly tax-efficient, or at least efficient at reducing overall exposure to tax. Its a complex one but in the business case the purchase price of an aircraft is fully tax deductible. Which is great when you have the need to "lose" a large amount of money for tax purposes.

Then there is the double benefit of depreciation (5 years at 20%pa) and running costs being deductible on an ongoing basis.

The UK only requires proof that a private aircraft is used 20% of the time as a business asset to gain tax advantages, whilst the US needs 50% -After that, aviation fuel duty is only payable on true personal/pleasure flights.

The EU were trying to do something about this by introducing a carbon-output based charge for all private jet use but I suppose to the rich cunts, its loss is a tangible Brexit benefit!
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Heavy plant rules apply 650 hrs use per year. Owner will take a portion of these and get the rest from charter work
 
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