Axeman attacks people on train in southern Germany

[Sea Star]

Never go near the place. It's always looked like a kiddie playpen to me.

I've blocked most of the kiddies now fortunately. Actually get to have some sensible discussions these days with peeps I meet on twitter.

 

[krtek a houby]

Amazing to see where the sympathy of some posters lies first.

Maybe, maybe not. We don't know the full story. Nobody is condoning the attacks but maybe trying to work out the reasons why it happened and why this kid was spurred to do so. Was he radicalised? Was he another disenfranchised, traumatised individual taking out his issues on soft targets?

Or was he just a monster, plain and simple? Distressingly hard to tell these days

 

[Pickman's model]

Maybe, maybe not. We don't know the full story. Nobody is condoning the attacks but maybe trying to work out the reasons why it happened and why this kid was spurred to do so. Was he radicalised? Was he another disenfranchised, traumatised individual taking out his issues on soft targets?

Or was he just a monster, plain and simple? Distressingly hard to tell these days

a monster recently

as you say, it is no longer so easy to tell who's a monster and who isn't from their appearance

 

[Casually Red]

17 yr old Afghan probably seen war and horror all his life wandering around is some kind of Post Traumatic Hell.
Goodness only knows how many of these victims are surviving in Europe.
It's gonna take some integration and a hell of a lot of mental health resources to sort them out that is for sure.

He's not the victim in this . He's a cunt . The victims are the poor sods minding their own business he butchered with an axe .

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Once again, we're having an unusual year here. We went four years without a murder. Last year, we thought we'd get another one and then on Thanksgiving weekend some meth addicts got into a fight over a sale. This year has been unusual. Most of it has been meth related.

One really odd thing. We haven't had a murder of a gas station attendant since the 1950s and Charles Starkweather. There was one a couple of weeks ago. It was across the street from there.

Badlands is a great film, imo.

 

[Casually Red]

A 17 year old is not a man he is a teenager. As horrible as this is and what he has done he is still a teenager.

I'd take that with a major pinch of salt . Presenting yourself to authorities as an " unaccompanied minor " , with no documentation is a well worn ruse in Germany and elsewhere . Just because he claimed to be that age on arrival doesn't mean he was . Not for a minute . Nobody has a clue who half these guys are or anything about them . Fact is the systems wide open to abuse, and it gets abused . Which is hardly surprising . He could easily have been in his 20s and scamming the system . Very easily , and denying that happens is utterly ridiculous .

 

[Casually Red]

So, the refugee lived with foster parents? had an Isis flag in the house and managed to get a video to Daesh, which they have just released. It's a fuckin joke.

What have these foster parents got to say for themselves?

German train attack: IS releases video of 'Afghan knifeman' - BBC News

17 my arse . Just look at him .

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

He's not the victim in this . He's a cunt . The victims are the poor sods minding their own business he butchered with an axe .

No, he's not the victim. But it's still worthwhile to try to determine what led to his actions, if for no other reason than to decide if the best response is to implement better mental health services; or to bomb Syria.

 

[Casually Red]

I am not excusing his acts. Heinous indeed.

However if Russia, America, Europe and the UK had attacked your country for the past 50 or so years how we can't expect that maybe one day, that shit is gonna us in the ass?

The people he chopped up the worst were from Hong kong. Last time I checked the Chinese didn't attack Afghanistan .

And what your saying here boils down to ..essentially...migrants from countries that have been attacked by NATO will probably ...some of them...run about trying to murder us. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how that can be used . Your basically expecting migrants to launch mass murder bids .

 

[Casually Red]

No, he's not the victim. But it's still worthwhile to try to determine what led to his actions, if for no other reason than to decide if the best response is to implement better mental health services; or to bomb Syria.

Why are you assuming he was mentally ill ? Most mentally I'll people aren't remotely a danger to others . And what the fuck has Syria got to do with Afghans ?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Why are you assuming he was mentally ill ? Most mentally I'll people aren't remotely a danger to others . And what the fuck has Syria got to do with Afghans ?

I'm not making any assumptions. But two possible motivators are - mental illness; or Islamic terrorism. There are of course other possible motivators.

Every violent act by a person of Islamic faith, or at least from an Islamic country, or of Islamic heritage, can't be lumped into one or the other category, or any category.

But some people of a certain political agenda are happy to call all violent acts by Islamics, as 'terrorism'.

That's patently untrue.

 

[Casually Red]

Amazing to see where the sympathy of some posters lies first.

German Green MEP outraged the cops killed him . Sure she's not the only one on the do gooder side coming out with crap like that .

 

[Casually Red]

I'm not making any assumptions. But two possible motivators are - mental illness; or Islamic terrorism. There are of course other possible motivators.

Every violent act by a person of Islamic faith, or at least from an Islamic country of of Islamic heritage, can't be lumped into one or the other category, or any category.

But some people of a certain political agenda are happy to call all violent acts by Islamics, as 'terrorism'.

That's patently untrue.

People who knew him described him as calm and quiet in his daily business . So mentall illness doesn't remotely appear to be a factor . Any more than mental illness would be a reason those cops in the US executed a black man on the ground recently . I'd say those cops were perfectly sane when they carried out that senseless, despicable, hateful murder against a complete stranger .

The guy was sending videos of himself to IS pledging allegiance . IS released those videos he sent them. Islamic terror attack seems bang on the money in this case .

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

People who knew him described him as calm and quiet in his daily business . So mentall illness doesn't remotely appear to be a factor . Any more than mental illness would be a reason those cops in the US executed a black man on the ground recently . I'd say those cops were perfectly sane when they carried out that senseless, despicable, hateful murder against a complete stranger .

The guy was sending videos of himself to IS pledging allegiance . IS released those videos he sent them. Islamic terror attack seems bang on the money in this case .

You might be comfortable drawing these absolute conclusions based on a couple of neighbor interviews conducted by reporters.

I'm not comfortable doing it.

 

[Casually Red]

And, lo and behold:

The Reference Frame: An unbelievable reaction to the Afghani Bavarian ax attack

Again just look at that pic. Absolutely no way is that a 17 year old kid .

 

[Casually Red]

You might be comfortable drawing these absolute conclusions based on a couple of neighbor interviews conducted by reporters.

I'm not comfortable doing it.

I'm not comfortable with you suggesting that people with a mental illness in general ...because your not even speculating which type of one...pose an imminent threat to the general public . There's absolutely nothing here that suggests mental illness . The vast vast majority of mentally I'll people are not dangerous. Sane people are much more fucking dangerous .

Eta

And drawing a conclusion that someone who was in contact with IS and pledged allegiance to them prior to launching a mass murder bid....while shouting Allah fucking Akbar .... is motivated by Islamic extremism is perfectly fucking sensible.

 

[krtek a houby]

You might be comfortable drawing these absolute conclusions based on a couple of neighbor interviews conducted by reporters.

I'm not comfortable doing it.

Indeed. The terrorists who bombed their fellow citizens in NI/6 counties may well have been suffering some kind of trauma. These days, what with the world being so fucked up, I'll give anyone the benefit of the doubt.

We don't know the full story yet.

 

[Pickman's model]

17 my arse . Just look at him .

Tbh I would be surprised if the Germans were quite as credulous as you suggest they are.

 

[Casually Red]

Tbh I would be surprised if the Germans were quite as credulous as you suggest they are.

I'm not suggesting they actually believe the lies they're told by some scammers .

 

[ferrelhadley]

People who knew him described him as calm and quiet in his daily business . So mentall illness doesn't remotely appear to be a factor .

Wrong.
That said "mental illness" is often used as short hand for "I cannot understand their motivation thus they must be mentally unwell".

 

[Casually Red]

Wrong.
That said "mental illness" is often used as short hand for "I cannot understand their motivation thus they must be mentally unwell".

And indeed there's also " I do understand their motivation ?..because they explained it pretty succinctly in a presentational video beforehand...but I'm determined not to admit to it in a million years no matter what so I'll settle for mental instead "

 

[ferrelhadley]

17 yr old Afghan probably seen war and horror all his life wandering around is some kind of Post Traumatic Hell.

He may have seen some horrible stuff but its far more likely he has never seen a battle or even a skirmish. Even in intense battles most front line infantry soldiers will only experience a series of small skirmishes. Rarely you get the huge barrage and set piece attack but that tends to be the very rare exception. Its far more likely they never seen any actual military violence than they seen it regularly. They are far more likely to have been exposed to criminal violence but on a level that any teenager from Soweto, a Brazilian Favela or even some of the more unfortunate UK youths would see.

What does exist in conflict zones is a pervasive fear of violence. That leaves its own marks but it would be wrong to imagine most Afgani's grew up experiencing something like a Somme or Normandy veteran would have seen.

 

[Casually Red]

He may have seen some horrible stuff but its far more likely he has never seen a battle or even a skirmish. Even in intense battles most front line infantry soldiers will only experience a series of small skirmishes. Rarely you get the huge barrage and set piece attack but that tends to be the very rare exception. Its far more likely they never seen any actual military violence than they seen it regularly. They are far more likely to have been exposed to criminal violence but on a level that any teenager from Soweto, a Brazilian Favela or even some of the more unfortunate UK youths would see.

What does exist in conflict zones is a pervasive fear of violence. That leaves its own marks but it would be wrong to imagine most Afgani's grew up experiencing something like a Somme or Normandy veteran would have seen.

Exactly . When I lived in Belfast the possibility of the pub, bookies or taxi rank being shot up was very real . As was the possibility of being randomly abducted . It happened to people on a weekly basis that stuff . People most definitely were not going about traumatised even though the fear was always there to an extent . He may well have seen the aftermath of stuff but then everyone who worked in a hospital would be a ticking time bomb.
What he's much more likely to have seen and been influenced by is a bunch of wahhabi cunts on the Internet . who seem to be rather adept at encouraging young men who've never been near a war zone in their lives to commit these hate filled actions .

 

[coley]

He may have seen some horrible stuff but its far more likely he has never seen a battle or even a skirmish. Even in intense battles most front line infantry soldiers will only experience a series of small skirmishes. Rarely you get the huge barrage and set piece attack but that tends to be the very rare exception. Its far more likely they never seen any actual military violence than they seen it regularly. They are far more likely to have been exposed to criminal violence but on a level that any teenager from Soweto, a Brazilian Favela or even some of the more unfortunate UK youths would see.

What does exist in conflict zones is a pervasive fear of violence. That leaves its own marks but it would be wrong to imagine most Afgani's grew up experiencing something like a Somme or Normandy veteran would have seen.

Buggerinhell, had two grandas who went through the Somme and the remainder of WW1, then came back to endure the depressions of the 20s and 30s and too top it, the youngest was captured in the rearguard action at Dunkirk, they didn't then go out to subsequently murder those they thought responsible for their suffering!

 

[NoXion]

Again just look at that pic. Absolutely no way is that a 17 year old kid .

Even if he is 17, I think that's plenty old enough to know right from wrong.

 

[bluescreen]

Why is this even news? Seriously, as any fule kno: choices are made about what is The News.

 

[NoXion]

Why is this even news? Seriously, as any fule kno: choices are made about what is The News.

That's true but doesn't tell us much. What choices and for what reasons were those choices made?

 

[bluescreen]

So, we have a domestic tragedy in Spalding. Looks awful, and I can understand why there's media interest.
But this axeman/axeteenager in Wurtzburg probably wouldn't have been reported in the UK absent the heightened twitchiness - the story serves only to stoke up.

 

[bluescreen]

That's true but doesn't tell us much. What choices and for what reasons were those choices made?

When the BBC says "Here is the news" I always think: "Here is the news we're choosing to tell you" and tbh I'm not sure who "we" are or why they are choosing this particular news but it never looks good.

 

[mather]

So, we have a domestic tragedy in Spalding. Looks awful, and I can understand why there's media interest.
But this axeman/axeteenager in Wurtzburg probably wouldn't have been reported in the UK absent the heightened twitchiness - the story serves only to stoke up.

What are you suggesting then, that they should not have run with this story and just ignored it?

Also, if it turns out that there is some sort of ISIS link, then how can this not be newsworthy?