Axeman attacks people on train in southern Germany
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So not revenge then
hot air baboon
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...I assumed it was a random attack on the victims but thinking about it China's got it's own little anti-terror dirty war going on in that volatile part of the world...
Xinjiang: Has China's crackdown on 'terrorism' worked? - BBC News
Xinjiang: Has China's crackdown on 'terrorism' worked? - BBC News
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So he jumped onto a train in Bavaria with an axe, hoping to bump into some Chinese folk, and got lucky?
The people who attacked Paris and Nice.
Pickers, your motives here are as transparent as they are reprehensible.
hot air baboon
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...no, probably not...but presumably there were some Germans on the train he could have attacked ....maybe there's jihadi propaganda videos out there he had been self-radicalising to slagging off the Chinese authorities...I have no idea tbh.......it shows how ramified this whole issue is though....
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So post up something to substantiate your claim that the attack was revenge or stfu
This is ridiculous Pickers, even by your standards. Please allow us to continue our conversation without your puerile yapping.
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Pisspoor. Your understanding of this incident is founded on your belief it was revenge, for which you've produced - what a surprise! - no evidence. This matters, as it colours all your subsequent statements on this subject - if this attack, if the nice attack, if the Charlie Hebdo attack etc etc etc are all revenge attacks then you concentrate as you have on invasions of middle east countries as the root.
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I think it was intended as revenge.
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for...
US foreign policy, particularly with regard to Israel.
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and your source for this is...
it's like drawing teeth from a particularly stupid boy who refuses to open his mouth though his rotting teeth infuse his breath with a putrescent odour
existentialist
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Indeed, though I am impressed by the amount of armchair psychiatry going on here. With the amount of definitive opinion available without anyone even needing to have spoken to the perpetrator, one has to wonder if the entire mental health sector is missing a trick here...
Osama bin Laden. Fool that you are.
You're obviously an unusual case in many ways, but I have to say that you're not alone in your ignorance of this matter. It's odd, the way the media are reluctant to draw attention to it and would prefer us to think 9/11 a random act of unmotivated madness.... or is it?
"I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind.
The events that affected my soul in a direct way started in 1982 when America permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon and the American Sixth Fleet helped them in that. This bombardment began and many were killed and injured and others were terrorised and displaced.
I couldn't forget those moving scenes, blood and severed limbs, women and children sprawled everywhere. Houses destroyed along with their occupants and high rises demolished over their residents, rockets raining down on our home without mercy.
The situation was like a crocodile meeting a helpless child, powerless except for his screams. Does the crocodile understand a conversation that doesn't include a weapon? And the whole world saw and heard but it didn't respond.
In those difficult moments many hard-to-describe ideas bubbled in my soul, but in the end they produced an intense feeling of rejection of tyranny, and gave birth to a strong resolve to punish the oppressors.
And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and children."
hot air baboon
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...the presence of US forces ( crusaders ) on Saudi territory ( holy places ) during the Gulf War was a major factor in 9/11 iirc...
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and would you say that bin laden succeeded in his stated objective?
Yes. His stated objective was revenge.
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1) obl says 'punish', not 'revenge'; 2) do you really believe that the americans were in any way shape or form deterred from 'killing our women and children'?
Seriously though, it's surprising how few people know that speech. It would seem quite important to know why we're being attacked. I guess there are few limits to the media's capacity for obfuscation.
Aye. It's because he conceived of himself as the scourge of God, instrument of divine retribution and that.
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no the
is because his stated objectives were a) punishment, and b) deterrence. not revenge. perhaps if you proceed from what he wrote instead of what you think he wrote we could move forwards.
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and he says that where?
no the
As I have just explained, in his theocentric world-view there is no distinction between punishment and revenge.
Part of the problem here is the inability of the secular mind (here represented by Pickers but also more widely applicable) to comprehend such relations.
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no, the problem is you just make assertions like 'by punish he means revenge' without adducing any actual evidence to support your position.
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if there is no distinction for obl between punish and revenge then it is odd he so rarely says 'revenge' (twice in a compilation of his statements from 1994-2004)
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