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The people he chopped up the worst were from Hong kong. Last time I checked the Chinese didn't attack Afghanistan .

And what your saying here boils down to ..essentially...migrants from countries that have been attacked by NATO will probably ...some of them...run about trying to murder us. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how that can be used . Your basically expecting migrants to launch mass murder bids .

Yep I'm expecting every migrant to launch a mass murder bid :facepalm: thank you for telling me how I'm thinking I was confused for a while there :rolleyes:

What i'm actually trying to get across is that there are a hell of a lot of traumatised people from war torn areas looking for sanctuary in Europe and the West and no one knows what the result of this is gonna be. Many will be fine and some won't, some will do a "falling down" some will commit suicide, some will take a perceived revenge and some will be Daesh infiltrators influenced to attack innocents.
I'm just chucking in some counters to stop this "them and us" bollocks that seems to be infiltrating everywhere at the moment which is depressing the hell out of me..........
 
Indeed. The terrorists who bombed their fellow citizens in NI/6 counties may well have been suffering some kind of trauma. These days, what with the world being so fucked up, I'll give anyone the benefit of the doubt.

We don't know the full story yet.
strange how er liberal you are when considering other people's mental health.
 
What i'm actually trying to get across is that there are a hell of a lot of traumatised people from war torn areas looking for sanctuary in Europe and the West and no one knows what the result of this is gonna be. Many will be fine and some won't, some will do a "falling down" some will commit suicide, some will take a perceived revenge and some will be Daesh infiltrators influenced to attack innocents.
Which is precisely why "Europe and the West" have to maintain border controls and figure out a way of screening refugees before giving sanctuary.
 
Which is precisely why "Europe and the West" have to maintain border controls and figure out a way of screening refugees before giving sanctuary.

Thing is, if you go around invading other people's countries and bombing them and killing them all over the place, then some of them are bound to get a little bit messed up in the head and come after you for revenge.

There's really not much that can be done about that now. Bed's made, time to lie in it.
 
Thing is, if you go around invading other people's countries and bombing them and killing them all over the place, then some of them are bound to get a little bit messed up in the head and come after you for revenge.
For sure. But I don't know anyone who actually supported the invasions of those countries, and they are among the people who are going to be 'paying the price'.

No western government should be expected to just roll over and allow unquestioned access to everyone who claims refugee status because previous governments (or even current ones) fucked them over. That's nuts.

And IS won't just disband if every western nation pulls out of the ME tomorrow. They are going to have to be fought in multiple theatres, possibly forever.

Western governments have made some fucking great mistakes. That's no reason to make more.
 
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Thing is, if you go around invading other people's countries and bombing them and killing them all over the place, then some of them are bound to get a little bit messed up in the head and come after you for revenge.

There's really not much that can be done about that now. Bed's made, time to lie in it.
as you know, the world of literature is replete with tales of revenge: in the period you're particularly interested in, for instance, there are any number of revenge tragedies, not to mention such later works as the count of monte cristo. in these plays, in these books and in a vast array of films and television dramas - not to mention in real life - people who set out to take revenge do so against the people they blame for their misfortune / loss / injury etc. yet you'd have it that this lot are out for revenge, when it's very fucking clear that it isn't in fact about revenge but about a very current and contemporary war. this isn't for iran 1953 or whatnot, it's in furtherance of very current attempts to remake the world. it is about the islamic state projecting its power - or rather influence - through the hands of random instruments, beyond its shrinking borders.
 
Thing is, if you go around invading other people's countries and bombing them and killing them all over the place, then some of them are bound to get a little bit messed up in the head and come after you for revenge.

There's really not much that can be done about that now. Bed's made, time to lie in it.
Which of course doesn't explain why ISIS have killed more Muslims than any other group of people.
 
as you know, the world of literature is replete with tales of revenge: in the period you're particularly interested in, for instance, there are any number of revenge tragedies, not to mention such later works as the count of monte cristo. in these plays, in these books and in a vast array of films and television dramas - not to mention in real life - people who set out to take revenge do so against the people they blame for their misfortune / loss / injury etc. yet you'd have it that this lot are out for revenge, when it's very fucking clear that it isn't in fact about revenge but about a very current and contemporary war. this isn't for iran 1953 or whatnot, it's in furtherance of very current attempts to remake the world. it is about the islamic state projecting its power - or rather influence - through the hands of random instruments, beyond its shrinking borders.

No, it's revenge. The way they see it, the West killed an awful lot of Muslim civilians, so they plan to kill an awful lot of Western civilians.

It's not just or moral, revenge never is. But it is revenge alright.
 
No, it's revenge. The way they see it, the West killed an awful lot of Muslim civilians, so they plan to kill an awful lot of Western civilians.

It's not just or moral, revenge never is. But it is revenge alright.
it would be nice if now and again you could offer something more than a mere assertion to substantiate your claims.
 
For sure. But I don't know anyone who actually supported the invasions of those countries, and they are among the people who are going to be 'paying the price'.

Of course. Just as countless innocent civilians have died in the unprovoked Western invasions of Muslim countries over the last 15 years. Invasions which--it must be said--were carried out be democratically elected governments, which were re-elected following the invasions.

In geopolitics as in life, you gets what you pays for.
 
Of course. Just as countless innocent civilians have died in the unprovoked Western invasions of Muslim countries over the last 15 years. Invasions which--it must be said--were carried out be democratically elected governments, which were re-elected following the invasions.

In geopolitics as in life, you gets what you pays for.
I think it's fair to say 9/11 might justifiably be considered a provocation,tho whether the reaction justified or proportionate - aye, there's the arguing point.
 
Of course. Just as countless innocent civilians have died in the unprovoked Western invasions of Muslim countries over the last 15 years. Invasions which--it must be said--were carried out be democratically elected governments, which were re-elected following the invasions.

In geopolitics as in life, you gets what you pays for.
We don't disagree on that, Phil.

I'm just saying that "The West" shouldn't throw open borders through a sense of guilt.
 
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We don't disagree on that, Phil.

I'm just saying that "The West" shouldn't throw open borders through a sense of guilt.

Yes but, there shouldn't be any borders at all . This shouldn't even be on the news and even assuming it was Islamic extremism is racist . And the cops shouldn't have shot him either . He was the victim really, when you think about it .
 
No, it's revenge. The way they see it, the West killed an awful lot of Muslim civilians, so they plan to kill an awful lot of Western civilians.

It's not just or moral, revenge never is. But it is revenge alright.

I think that's much too simplistic and outdated . In my mind this is more about sectarian hatred . Hatred of a different way of life and people . This is against a backdrop of these takfiri fucks slaughtering all sorts of minorities and " apostates " back on their own turf . Often fellow muslims of different sects and the like , or secular people in muslim states . the backdrop of a Saudi ..and associates...regional stand off with Iran etc .
The Sauds and their mates have flooded the media sphere with the most hateful of extremist sectarian preaching . There's something like 200 Saudi funded tv stations in the middle east alone pumping out utter poison 24 7 . Not including the internet . The primary purpose of which is to whip up sectarian hatred against Iran and it's allies . That hatred is whipped up by the constant denunciation of anyone who isn't conforming to the Saudi code . We..Europeans..aren't the target of it . Regional opposition is . But we are getting a fair bit of blowback from it. We're collateral . That level of hatred and animosity which has become the mainstream leaves fucks like this just a skip away from the poison enunciated by the likes of IS . Pushes them right into their arms . It creates the intolerance that leads to a murderous hatred of " the other " . It's a form of fascism .
I think that's what's going on here . Because its certainly what's been going on across the middle east , Pakistan etc . Identical stuff against people who definitely haven't invaded anyone .

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He also seems to have focused most on those Chinese . The note he left ended with his intent to target " non believers " . That's what's at the crux of this I reckon . The invasions are just window dressing , an excuse To make the hatred have an appearance of some moral justification . The real hatreds about apostates . those who aren't on board with the programme . Just like the fascists in the 30s tried to dress themselves up as the victim to justify their shite .
 
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Yep I'm expecting every migrant to launch a mass murder bid :facepalm: thank you for telling me how I'm thinking I was confused for a while there :rolleyes:

What i'm actually trying to get across is that there are a hell of a lot of traumatised people from war torn areas looking for sanctuary in Europe and the West and no one knows what the result of this is gonna be. Many will be fine and some won't, some will do a "falling down" some will commit suicide, some will take a perceived revenge and some will be Daesh infiltrators influenced to attack innocents.
I'm just chucking in some counters to stop this "them and us" bollocks that seems to be infiltrating everywhere at the moment which is depressing the hell out of me..........

Thus far none of these people have done anything like this . None . A major percentage of these young men coming to Europe are from places like Tunisia and Morrocco that haven't been invaded . This isn't about traumatised people, it's about indoctrinated people . People full of hate and intolerance for the " other " . People who are being presented with a scapegoat for all life's ills by a shower of hatemongering cunts in Riyadh stoking up sectarian tensions for their own ends . It's looking quite likely now this " 17 year old " wasn't even from Afghanistan .
 
Buggerinhell, had two grandas who went through the Somme and the remainder of WW1, then came back to endure the depressions of the 20s and 30s and too top it, the youngest was captured in the rearguard action at Dunkirk, they didn't then go out to subsequently murder those they thought responsible for their suffering!

And you yourself must have witnessed awful things when you were with Kitchener in the Sudan .
 
No, it's revenge. The way they see it, the West killed an awful lot of Muslim civilians, so they plan to kill an awful lot of Western civilians.

It's not just or moral, revenge never is. But it is revenge alright.

"They" being who?
 
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