Avatar (James Cameron) [SPOILERS]

[Gromit]

The only bit I groaned at was the mini twist

I wouldn't even go so far as to call it a mini twist. They took so long to set it all up.

Hey the planet has a hive mind, all the plants and creatures are part of it, we killed our earth mother, let me pray to you to beseech your help.

Was there any concievable way that the planet wasn't going to unleash a horde of nature's fury?

 

[kyser_soze]

Was there any concievable way that the planet wasn't going to unleash a horde of nature's fury?

A real twist would have been natures fury up against some properly heavy ordnance, maybe a crust buster...

 

[revol68]

I wouldn't even go so far as to call it a mini twist. They took so long to set it all up.

Hey the planet has a hive mind, all the plants and creatures are part of it, we killed our earth mother, let me pray to you to beseech your help.

Was there any concievable way that the planet wasn't going to unleash a horde of nature's fury?

Well I was praying it wouldn't end up in that and actually did semi buy into the bit where the Na'vi girl says the planet doesn't take sides.

I was hoping that was a split from the new age shit and a call to existentialist arms.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

Yeah but it was alien animals battering robots.

It wasn't an Ewok style bit, was pure fucking nature's rage. It does happen in real life - earthquakes, etc

 

[Reno]

Hmm, I said I didn't read any reviews about this. I can come to an independant conclusion you know. I also said it looked amazing.

'Reasonably well', eh? Wow

Ah, the always eloquent rolleyes smiley that is autmoatically supposed to discount what anybody else is saying.

 

[revol68]

Yeah but it was alien animals battering robots.

It wasn't an Ewok style bit, was pure fucking nature's rage. It does happen in real life - earthquakes, etc

But there is no direction or meaning to earthquakes and natural disasters, nature is a cruel immoral beast, it's only us that brings meaning to the world.

If the planet could have done that from the start then why did it let the Na'vi get fucked up? This new age mother earth shit leaves itself open to same accusations since The Book of Job.

And I don't care what anyone says the Ewoks were fucking cool!

 

[5t3IIa]

Ah, the always eloquent rolleyes smiley that is autmoatically supposed to discount what anybody else is saying.

I do apologise and take the rolleyes back. I certainly don't want to argue on the internet about art

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

And I don't care what anyone says the Ewoks were fucking cool!

Come on, where the fuck is my meph

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Stop spoilering it you cocks. Fuck's sake. The one even vaguely surprising plot twist and you've now ruined it.

 

[revol68]

Stop spoilering it you cocks. Fuck's sake. The one even vaguely surprising plot twist and you've now ruined it.

go see it already ffs!

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I was thinking of going to see it this afternoon but I think I'll play Dragon Age instead now.

 

[5t3IIa]

Yeah, go and see it. You're not a hard hearted nu urban groover and will get like totally swept up in the poetry of it, I bet.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

I have a soul! I cried at Casper!!! He was only alive for one party and wasn't allowed to stay up til midnight

I honestly don't think getting carried away with this film is anything to shout about. It was, as mentioned, noble savage v mindless militrial progress with gaia shit. It was hippy nonsense and a waste of nu tech talent.

I am middle brow - I don't watch Harry Hill.

Brave women, my respect for you knows no bounds, expressing a less than stella opinion about Avatar on here with the film snob tweedle dee and tweedle dum about!

 

[kyser_soze]

Come on, what possible spoilers could there be to a Dances With Giant Smurfs Vs Aliens movie? I'm looking forward to having a treat for the senses, but not too fussed about spoilers.

Unless Zoe Saldana changes into a human body. I'd like that information to remain a surprise.

 

[5t3IIa]

Brave women, my respect for you knows no bounds, expressing a less than stella opinion about Avatar on here with the film snob tweedle dee and tweedle dum about!

Not so brave. I apologised for rolling my eyes at Reno

 

[revol68]

Brave women, my respect for you knows no bounds, expressing a less than stella opinion about Avatar on here with the film snob tweedle dee and tweedle dum about!

Liking Avatar is a strange definition of a film snob.

 

[revol68]

Come on, what possible spoilers could there be to a Dances With Giant Smurfs Vs Aliens movie? I'm looking forward to having a treat for the senses, but not too fussed about spoilers.

Unless Zoe Saldana changes into a human body. I'd like that information to remain a surprise.

The Na'vi scat orgy scene was a bit of a twist, especially when their technicolour shit specks were flying towards you.

 

[5t3IIa]

Come on, what possible spoilers could there be to a Dances With Giant Smurfs Vs Aliens movie? I'm looking forward to having a treat for the senses, but not too fussed about spoilers.

Unless Zoe Saldana changes into a human body. I'd like that information to remain a surprise.

Hey! Careful with comparing stuff to Aliens Just cuz it was Cameron doesn't mean he made anything like the same effort with plot and dialogue in this HIPPY NONSENSE.

I have the biggest urge to say something about the magical negro but tbh I'm too scared to.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Liking Avatar is a strange definition of a film snob.

The pathetic attitude to those who dare not to follow the group is.

 

[revol68]

The pathetic attitude to those who dare not to follow the group is.

you mean the contempt for would be middle brow film snobs trying to look cool and edgy by making tideous and banal criticisms of a sci fi blockbuster.

 

[ChrisFilter]

I have the biggest urge to say something about the magical negro but tbh I'm too scared to.

Why? I thought that myself.

A black couple in front of me at the cinema expressed a few times that they thought it was slightly racist.

 

[5t3IIa]

you mean the contempt for would be middle brow film snobs trying to look cool and edgy by making tideous and banal criticisms of a sci fi blockbuster.

You're on about how transendent it is though, not that it was a half decent blockbuster. How you don't expect people to diagree with that is surprising.

Why? I thought that myself.

A black couple in front of me at the cinema expressed a few times that they thought it was slightly racist.

It was my first thought on seeing/hearing the Na'vi. Cheap lazy ffs, really shittly annoying and I got proper turned off.

 

[revol68]

Why? I thought that myself.

A black couple in front of me at the cinema expressed a few times that they thought it was slightly racist.

Yeah but I thought it was closer to the 'magical native' and the one good thing in the end wasn't that the human society learned to reform and enlighten itself from this encounter with the "irrational other" but instead actually gets fucking destroyed in a fuck off fight to the death.

Usually the magical negro character gives some insight to our hero and then smuffs it.

Also has Forrest Whittaker played the most magical negro roles, I think he has.

 

[revol68]

My point was that the obvious criticisms that are so easy to make for any middle brow nob miss the bigger picture, mainly what is soo refreshing about it.

 

[ChrisFilter]

It was my first thought on seeing/hearing the Na'vi. Cheap lazy ffs, really shittly annoying and I got proper turned off.

Yeah, it annoyed me as well.

 

[Combustible]

Thought it was pretty entertaining even if it was too long and predictable. Tbh I thought it had more similarities to Dune (but with 'noble savages') than Pocahontas.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

Also has Forrest Whittaker played the most magical negro roles, I think he has.

ghost Dog is a bit of a magical negro antihero though.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

Tbh I thought it had more similarities to Dune (but with 'noble savages') than Pocahontas.

Except that, to be fair to it, it wasn't total shite.

 

[revol68]

ghost Dog is a bit of a magical negro antihero though.

Ghost Dog is brilliant, it's more about the breakdown of honour and any sort of moral code in the face of capitalism.

Also he probably gets more of those roles because of his funny eye, y'know with the whole cliche of developing other senses wah wah.

 

[5t3IIa]

My point was that the obvious criticisms that are so easy to make for any middle brow nob miss the bigger picture, mainly what is soo refreshing about it.

What was 'so refreshing' about it?