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Fell asleep in this today too - last week I fell asleep in A Serious Man. :rolleyes::D Any recommendations of what to fall asleep to next?

In seriousness, I thought it was pretty cheesy, way too long and I wasn't overly keen on the 3D tbh... it looked very beautiful though. I felt it could have done with being half the length because by the 2nd half it was one big bag of cliche I thought.... :D
 
tbf

one side has interstellar travel the other rides around on big flying lizards.
even if the savages run a tactical victory.
the evil capatalists can just drop rocks on them from orbit. I'd go for a comet strike they happened on earth and deniable.
when bluepeace or space shepard turn up asking akward questions:D
be bit of a shit film though
 
tbf

one side has interstellar travel the other rides around on big flying lizards.
even if the savages run a tactical victory.
the evil capatalists can just drop rocks on them from orbit. I'd go for a comet strike they happened on earth and deniable.
when bluepeace or space shepard turn up asking akward questions:D
be bit of a shit film though

Yes, you may be able to defeat militarily. But the opposing force simply has to make the resource desired so expensive that the bigger boys give up.

Sometimes though, that resource is worth all power to obtain. At this point the natives have only one option. The power to destroy that resource utterly. Then they have leverage.
 
Yes, you may be able to defeat militarily. But the opposing force simply has to make the resource desired so expensive that the bigger boys give up.

Sometimes though, that resource is worth all power to obtain. At this point the natives have only one option. The power to destroy that resource utterly. Then they have leverage.

Dune fan boi?
 
not really if you have intersteller travel ability dropping a comet on a planet got to be cheaper than arsing about setting a military force.
tea and porn mags transmitted across hundred of light years has go to cost a fair packet.
inca's aztecs american indians maoris etc had no leverage :(
 
Loved the Cinematography but could do without the 3D tbh.

A good film puts you into a trance state where you immerse yourself in the film.

The 3D in Avatar kept pulling me out of that state due to the concious noticing of said 3D effects.

The best effects affect you sub-conciously so that you remain lost in the film.

See for me the beauty of the 3D was that it didn't distract me from the film, it just enhanced what was already there.
 
Fell asleep in this today too - last week I fell asleep in A Serious Man. :rolleyes::D Any recommendations of what to fall asleep to next?

In seriousness, I thought it was pretty cheesy, way too long and I wasn't overly keen on the 3D tbh... it looked very beautiful though. I felt it could have done with being half the length because by the 2nd half it was one big bag of cliche I thought.... :D

I normally struggle with long films but didn't with this.

I didn't mind the cheese, on the whole, but it did jar a little in a couple of places.

Is it just me who thought Sigourney Weaver was a bit shit?

And what kind of name is Sigourney anyway?
 
i went and spent over £20 on a ticket for a seat in the front middle of the royal circle at the odeon leicester square as james cameron had personally recommended that cinema to an acquaintance as the best one to view avatar in the country.
the 3d was pretty amazing in places but i nodded off a couple of times as i found a lot of it dull, even some of the action scenes. the less said about the dialogue the better. the acting is universally appalling, even weaver's is shocking, but the script is mostly to blame for that. the music is horridious and really distracting.
the end battle is undoubtedly awesome and very gratifying to watch, but most of the film felt like apocalypto and the jungle scenes in king kong. running. lots of running. running and chasing and weird creatures running and chasing. although the na'vi and their environment are expertly realised and vivid, none of the sights you are greeted with are singular enough to be surprising or novel to really capture my imaginarion. it was all too familiar - 70s/80s fantasy art kinda familiar.
you should still go see it cos it is still quite an experience. i don't see how it's gonna work on dvd. it would just be a very dull and long cut scene from a crap fantasy video game.
 
Jesus shitting christ

'These people need to learn that we don't stop'

And there it is, In a nutshell. Not the noble savage aspect, not the bribed marine and his science obsessed handlers.

Very good film, visually and plotwise.
 
I like this geeky explanation of the floating mountains (from reddit)

About the floating mountains: From a Condensed Matter physicist.
The reason humans are on Pandora is to mine a mineral, Unobtainium. I speculate that this is a high-temperature superconductor. First, I will review a few facts about High Tc superconductors. In the second paragraph I will point out several pieces of evidence that support my conclusion.

Type 2 superconductors were discovered in the 1980s, by accident. After over 20 years of theoretical and experimental study, we still cannot explain exactly how they work. There is no theoretical limit to the temperature at which materials can superconduct. No one knows if there are more than 2 types of superconductors. A very peculiar behavior (of a substance we discovered by accident) is that when lowered from above the superconducting critical temperature in the presence of a magnetic field, they trap the magnetic flux inside the superconducting region. If the magnetic field has a gradient, the superconductor will remain locked in place and float. Here is a pic. If we were able to find a high temperature superconductor, it would be extremely valuable, possibly millions of dollars per pound.

I believe that unobtainium is a high temperature superconductor, and the floating mountains are made out of unobtainium in the presence of a strong magnetic field gradient. The first evidence of the nature of unobtainium is the piece in the boss' office. It floats, and there is no evidence that humans have developed artificial gravity (see pic, look familiar). Because the material conducts at high temperature it does not need to be cooled. Second piece of evidence is that there is a "flux vortex" right near the floating mountains. Only an extremely large magnetic field would cause the equipment on the ships to malfunction. In the presence of high magnetic field gradients the metallic ships would have to fly very slowly to avoid large eddy currents that might damage equipment. There are large geological structures that suggest magnetic field lines. These could plausibly be structures with ferromagnetic properties (like iron) that would focus the flux into those structures. (here is a pic.) Given that we have large deposits of a likely candidate for a high temperature superconductor and very likely extremely high magnetic field gradients (what else would be a "flux vortex"), I believe that it is very likely that the movie makers intended us to conclude. There were large deposits of unobtainium that cooled below their critical temperature in the presence of extremely high magnetic field gradients. While the rest of the mountain eroded, only the parts that were dense enough with superconductor floated.

This is by no means scientifically excluded from reality, it is just something we do not observe on Earth.
Edit: For those who still might not be convinced that something that large could be held aloft by magnetic fields, consider this picture of a solar prominence with Earth in the picture to scale. Pic
 
Utter shit. Predictable from start to finish. I was sitting there thinking, o heres the bit where he decides he likes the locals, o here's the bit where he fights the military guy, etc. Yawn. Yawn, fucking yawn.

The 3d looked good though and make up for the piss poor computer generated effects.
 
I normally struggle with long films but didn't with this.

I didn't mind the cheese, on the whole, but it did jar a little in a couple of places.

Is it just me who thought Sigourney Weaver was a bit shit?

And what kind of name is Sigourney anyway?

Sigourney is never shit! :eek:

She's 60 years old! You don't often get good roles for 60 year old women! She's one of the strongest female role models for my generation :) (Her real name is Susan)

And although the story is totally predictable, in this case it's not what the story is that matters, it's how it's told ;)
 
i personally think that's bollocks - it all matters - acting, script, story etc - it's lazy to think you can get away with shoddiness if just one element of your presentation is amazing and nothing else.
 
Utter shit. Predictable from start to finish. I was sitting there thinking, o heres the bit where he decides he likes the locals, o here's the bit where he fights the military guy, etc. Yawn. Yawn, fucking yawn.

The 3d looked good though and make up for the piss poor computer generated effects.

There were moments where the animal design looked quite nice and then they moved and it was like some stop motion out of clash of the titans...the 3D bits were not consistent enough to really hold attention. And unobtainium? Seriously I couldn't give a fuck if it's some wanky injoke it's a stupid fucking name!!
 
i personally think that's bollocks - it all matters - acting, script, story etc - it's lazy to think you can get away with shoddiness if just one element of your presentation is amazing and nothing else.

This ^^

Good visually but the story was transparent and weak IMO. Looked like he'd taken his fave bits out of other films and cobbled them together in parts.

Dialogue...urgh :facepalm:

All style over substance...which is a shame, coz i was really looking forward to it. Good for watching off your head, but that's about it.
 
I quite enjoyed it, but I can't see it working on the small screen.

Sigourney Weaver :oops:

Michelle Rodriguez :oops::oops::oops:
 
Also I know this guy who's a sci fi nerd, a rainforest/environment nut and a former US Marine with an arse fetish. He declared it the greatest film he'd ever seen. :D
 
Right, sorry for not reading the thread, but do you have to wear glasses to watch this film in 3D? And if so, how does that work for people who have to wear glasses to see?
 
Right, sorry for not reading the thread, but do you have to wear glasses to watch this film in 3D? And if so, how does that work for people who have to wear glasses to see?

Yes. You have to wear special 3d glasses, they're polarised (so not like the old red & green glasses).

They can be worn over regular glasses easily.
 
yes but it still uses the red and blue technology.

i have a mate who can't see 3D cos she's got a dodgy left eye. she sees on it but when she covers her right eye the left one starts shaking left-right (it's some muscle issue). her right eye has therefore taken over the function of the left and she sees eveything with that eye so in order to watch this movie she had to use two sets of 3D glasses to combine the red and blue image on her right eye and all that went on top of regular glasses!! :D
 
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