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kittyP please try not to worry as best you can about this. There is no way of knowing how the DWP will rule when they see your application.

Some of the people on this thread have complex, longstanding, multiple health problems so will have lots more information than you (or indeed me if I ever applied) will ever have. You really haven't done the form wrong and we are all here to help you if you need to appeal. Much love xx
 
equationgirl said:
kittyP please try not to worry as best you can about this. There is no way of knowing how the DWP will rule when they see your application.

Some of the people on this thread have complex, longstanding, multiple health problems so will have lots more information than you (or indeed me if I ever applied) will ever have. You really haven't done the form wrong and we are all here to help you if you need to appeal. Much love xx
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Thank you :oops:
 
WouldBe said:
Copies of appointment letters / specialist reports and copies of your medical records with relevant bits highlighted. :)
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I don't have anything in writing from anyone I see. It's all done over the phone.

If they come back and say I didn't give them enough info about my assessments made by the CMHT, I provided them with names, addresses and phone numbers and if they haven't contacted them then that is grounds for appeal I guess and if I can appeal then I will get them to write me a report.
 
Cheers, not seen those particular stories. The Scottish press are much more into publicising them than the English press aren't they?

Yes, I'm sick of the stock answers from ATOS that don't actually answer any questions. It's like the Bedroom Tax stock answer is "there's the Discretionary Housing Fund for difficult cases"
 
The Scottish press, in particular the Record, have been quite militant about their opposition of this. Partly because the tories haven't had a firm base in Scotland since Thatcher decimated industry here (and there's parts of the country still haven't recovered) and partly because I think they feel betrayed by the Libdems who had a large following.
 
I think there's always been a tradition of fighting against those seeking to take advantage of the working-class in Scotland, particularly Glasgow, where many of the claimants the Record features are based, as well.
http://gdl.cdlr.strath.ac.uk/redclyde/courad/courad12.htm

I also think the journalist behind many of these stories has done his homework and see (as we all do) that the unfair targetting of people who want to work but can't due to ill-health shouldn't be penalised by an unfair punitive system designed at making them destitute.
 
equationgirl said:
Minnie_the_Minx

From the same paper - former vet/lecturer who ATOS deemed too unwell for public transport later ruled fit for work
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/con-dem-benefit-cuts-blasted-by-vet-1588310

If I see that standard press release comment from ATOS one more time I will not be responsible for my actions.
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It is astonishing, isn't it? They couldn't convey more of a "we really couldn't give a shit" message if they tried...but then I suspect they are probably trying to convey exactly that message, on the basis that vague stereotypes about claimants are always going to trump individual cases and hard facts.
 
existentialist said:
It is astonishing, isn't it? They couldn't convey more of a "we really couldn't give a shit" message if they tried...but then I suspect they are probably trying to convey exactly that message, on the basis that vague stereotypes about claimants are always going to trump individual cases and hard facts.
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Oh yes, this lot on governments aren't fans of actual facts AT ALL.

May they be decanted to Ibrox or Easterhouse and sanctioned for 3 years the lot of them. Yes, local labour MP, you're not exempt.
 
Hi,new to the site. Can I ask,what is the security like at these 'assessment centres'? I know the job centre has security staff, but is that the case for these assessment centres?. I have an anxiety condition which apart from other symptoms, means I get nervous of people in uniforms due to a traumatic event in the past.
 
hackedoff said:
Hi,new to the site. Can I ask,what is the security like at these 'assessment centres'? I know the job centre has security staff, but is that the case for these assessment centres?. I have an anxiety condition which apart from other symptoms, means I get nervous of people in uniforms due to a traumatic event in the past.
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I'd imagine they'd haul you out of the door and stop your benefits for not attending WCA :mad:

But seriously, I don't know, but I'd imagine they'd take any thread to their staff quite seriously. They wouldn't want them injured, or they'd have to be doing a WCA on them. :hmm:

Sorry, that sounds very glib.:oops: Hopefully someone can provide a serious answer
 
hackedoff said:
Hi,new to the site. Can I ask,what is the security like at these 'assessment centres'? I know the job centre has security staff, but is that the case for these assessment centres?. I have an anxiety condition which apart from other symptoms, means I get nervous of people in uniforms due to a traumatic event in the past.
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Is it possible for you (or someone else) to phone ahead and check with the assessment centre? I suspect arrangements will vary from centre to centre. Sorry to hear of your ongoing issues and best of luck for your assessment.
 
I can't remember seeing any uniformed security when I went - And it wasn't that long ago, so my memory should be clearer - I reckon I was too busy crapping myself about the medical to notice my surroundings much TBH. I reckon they must have security though - Everywhere does these days.
 
hackedoff said:
Hi,new to the site. Can I ask,what is the security like at these 'assessment centres'? I know the job centre has security staff, but is that the case for these assessment centres?. I have an anxiety condition which apart from other symptoms, means I get nervous of people in uniforms due to a traumatic event in the past.
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Did you see the post that ViolentPanda made about requesting a home assessment? Don't forget you can still have someone with you and can still request recording of the assessment.
 
A friend received a letter dated '27th feb' today (26th mar) notifying him of his ATOS examination failure, is it possible he's got one day to submit his appeal there is no dated post mark. :hmm:
 
IC3D said:
A friend received a letter dated '27th feb' today (26th mar) notifying him of his ATOS examination failure, is it possible he's got one day to submit his appeal there is no dated post mark. :hmm:
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ffs

you can appeal after more than a month if there are specific circs that means you couldn't appeal within a month.

it's a 'late written appeal'
 
IC3D said:
A friend received a letter dated '27th feb' today (26th mar) notifying him of his ATOS examination failure, is it possible he's got one day to submit his appeal there is no dated post mark. :hmm:
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A late written appeal is your friend.

I also find it highly doubtful that an ordinary DWP letter should take so long to get from A to B, even when the cheapskates do send them second class. A more suspicious-minded soul than me might think that somebody at their end is either playing their idea of a joke or maybe they're deliberately trying to short-arm you by claiming that you didn't respond within the one-month deadline.

I'm also wondering, seeing as I got a DWP letter yesterday dated from the middle of this month, whether or not an informal poll might find late-arriving DWP letters to be a highly regular thing, especially the time-sensitive ones.
 
Bakunin said:
I'm also wondering, seeing as I got a DWP letter yesterday dated from the middle of this month, whether or not an informal poll might find late-arriving DWP letters to be a highly regular thing, especially the time-sensitive ones.
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Was just thinking that myself, considering how many applications they seem to "lose".
 
Minnie_the_Minx said:
Was just thinking that myself, considering how many applications they seem to "lose".
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Has anyone else also noticed the apparent black hole that mysteriously consumes appeal evidence favourable to claimants when you ask the DWP for copies of correspondence and/or many other things that might cause the tribunals to rule against the DWP, perchance..?

Ditto their remarkable ability to provide multiple contradictory answers to the same simple questions depending on which person you ask and also their tendency to state that unhelpful conduct on their part is down to their rules while being utterly unable to tell you, when asked simply and clearly, exactly which of their rules they're obeying by being deliberately unhelpful and wilfully obstructive..?
 
Bakunin said:
Has anyone else also noticed the apparent black hole that mysteriously consumes appeal evidence favourable to claimants when you ask the DWP for copies of correspondence and/or many other things that might cause the tribunals to rule against the DWP, perchance..?

Ditto their remarkable ability to provide multiple contradictory answers to the same simple questions depending on which person you ask and also their tendency to state that unhelpful conduct on their part is down to their rules while being utterly unable to tell you, when asked simply and clearly, exactly which of their rules they're obeying by being deliberately unhelpful and wilfully obstructive..?
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Not sure as never appealed, but put in Support Group, but I wanted the paperwork and scoring sheet etc. to figure out what he'd got points on. Never got it. Got the letter saying how long he'd been put in Support Group and for how long, but I had to request that.
 
toggle said:
ffs

you can appeal after more than a month if there are specific circs that means you couldn't appeal within a month.

it's a 'late written appeal'
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Thx. I'm calling the DWP for him tomorrow to get to the bottom of it and hopefully they will see this as just reason for that.

Bakunin said:
A late written appeal is your friend.

I also find it highly doubtful that an ordinary DWP letter should take so long to get from A to B, even when the cheapskates do send them second class. A more suspicious-minded soul than me might think that somebody at their end is either playing their idea of a joke or maybe they're deliberately trying to short-arm you by claiming that you didn't respond within the one-month deadline.

I'm also wondering, seeing as I got a DWP letter yesterday dated from the middle of this month, whether or not an informal poll might find late-arriving DWP letters to be a highly regular thing, especially the time-sensitive ones.
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This is a good idea, of course I'm highly suspicious about this letter if it is indeed the time sensitive response, and was wondering if this was the beginning of a new trend in their fuckery.
 
Bakunin said:
I'm also wondering, seeing as I got a DWP letter yesterday dated from the middle of this month, whether or not an informal poll might find late-arriving DWP letters to be a highly regular thing, especially the time-sensitive ones.
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I've had undated letters from them, including one that required a time-sensitive response. Regardless of whether it's incompetence, working under too much pressure, or dishonesty, you have to assume when dealing with the DWP that absolutely everything that can be done to screw you over will be done. That means starting to prepare appeals even before you've been told you've been turned down. Never accepting anything you are told on the phone without independent confirmation, and above all never allowing a situation where the DWP have the only copy of a document that has ever been in your possession.

Think Kafka's rewrite of Brave New World.
 
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