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^ Sex Pistols doing 'land of hope and glory' just now. Think it was a piss-take by them?
Athens Greece: Cops murder a 16 year old
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^ Sex Pistols doing 'land of hope and glory' just now. Think it was a piss-take by them?
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I just hope the situation over there can be resolved peaceably. In terms of cause and effect, there is a serious disproportionality to what is going on on the streets of Greece, although I gather discontent has been brewing for quite some time.
Such events are the inevitable consquence of serious injustice, economic inequity and high-handed political representation which fails to take active and proper account of the needs of everyone. It is a situation that is worryingly mirrored elsewhere in Europe. The lessons of the Russian and French Revolutions about how to build safe, fare and stable societies seem to have been completely forgotten. Governments and corporations are operating to money-centric, profit-centred rule books which over the next several years and ensuing decades will no longer work. Unbridled free-market capitalism is finished, but increasing state authoritarianism and fascism is not the answer. What societies all over need is real organic growth, community and collectivism, not the arithmetical dictatorship of the corporate ledger book.
The financial shockwave of Autumn 2008 would appear to be the first of many. There will be others, economic and environmental included. When it is finished, the living world may well end up seeing as much destruction in a very short time as many have hithertoo seen in a lifetime. Cultivating creation and creativity is thus vital.
All this rioting and mayhem is an entirely inappopriate way to commemorate the memory of the deceased young man, and build a new Greece from the injustice of the old.
What are the demonstrators doing to help get food and provisions to pensioners, the sick and mothers with children trapped in their homes by it all?
"Sow seeds, not Molotov cocktails. Plant orchards, not disorder. Create art & sculpture, not mayhem. Engender love, not war."
Such events are the inevitable consquence of serious injustice, economic inequity and high-handed political representation which fails to take active and proper account of the needs of everyone. It is a situation that is worryingly mirrored elsewhere in Europe. The lessons of the Russian and French Revolutions about how to build safe, fare and stable societies seem to have been completely forgotten. Governments and corporations are operating to money-centric, profit-centred rule books which over the next several years and ensuing decades will no longer work. Unbridled free-market capitalism is finished, but increasing state authoritarianism and fascism is not the answer. What societies all over need is real organic growth, community and collectivism, not the arithmetical dictatorship of the corporate ledger book.
The financial shockwave of Autumn 2008 would appear to be the first of many. There will be others, economic and environmental included. When it is finished, the living world may well end up seeing as much destruction in a very short time as many have hithertoo seen in a lifetime. Cultivating creation and creativity is thus vital.
All this rioting and mayhem is an entirely inappopriate way to commemorate the memory of the deceased young man, and build a new Greece from the injustice of the old.
What are the demonstrators doing to help get food and provisions to pensioners, the sick and mothers with children trapped in their homes by it all?
"Sow seeds, not Molotov cocktails. Plant orchards, not disorder. Create art & sculpture, not mayhem. Engender love, not war."
Dimitris
Well-Known Member
Hello
I am in Athens since earlier today. I was in Syntagma sq as well, Stella reported quite enough of what was happening there.
I am in Exarchia now, the situation here is CHAOTIC. I had to leave from the streets because of breathing problems.
There was an attack of 1000 comrades against the police station of Exarchia. We met at the alley that Alexis was murdered and then headed down for the police department. Chaos was created, road blocks exist all over the place in Exarchia and riots against the police continue now.
Some comrades were in Psyri earlier, it is an area of Athens full of cafes, bars and tavernas. They were demonstrating there and distributing leaflets to the people at the cafes when they were visiously attacked by the police. Stun grenades were used, the public in the cafes freaked out, some people were fighting with the police, other were trying to flee, complete chaos
In Kypseli area, not very far from here, fascists were out on the streets tonight, warning that they will attack a free market that takes place there....
EVERYBODY ON THE STREETS, STATE AGGRESSION SHOULD NOT BE LEFT WITHOUT AN ANSWER
NOTHING IS OVER YET. THIS IS ONLY THE BEGGINING
I am in Athens since earlier today. I was in Syntagma sq as well, Stella reported quite enough of what was happening there.
I am in Exarchia now, the situation here is CHAOTIC. I had to leave from the streets because of breathing problems.
There was an attack of 1000 comrades against the police station of Exarchia. We met at the alley that Alexis was murdered and then headed down for the police department. Chaos was created, road blocks exist all over the place in Exarchia and riots against the police continue now.
Some comrades were in Psyri earlier, it is an area of Athens full of cafes, bars and tavernas. They were demonstrating there and distributing leaflets to the people at the cafes when they were visiously attacked by the police. Stun grenades were used, the public in the cafes freaked out, some people were fighting with the police, other were trying to flee, complete chaos
In Kypseli area, not very far from here, fascists were out on the streets tonight, warning that they will attack a free market that takes place there....
EVERYBODY ON THE STREETS, STATE AGGRESSION SHOULD NOT BE LEFT WITHOUT AN ANSWER
NOTHING IS OVER YET. THIS IS ONLY THE BEGGINING
Dimitris
Well-Known Member
I was for a while down the street but had to come back, I cannot breath properly. People have got out of their houses and activelly tried with the comrades and pushed back the police down to Xar Trikoupi str, far from the square. There were also problems at Stournara str near the Polytechnic but it was not possible for me to approach.
I think I will log off and try to get to the polytechnic from Patission entrace.
I will come back to report later
I think I will log off and try to get to the polytechnic from Patission entrace.
I will come back to report later
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
derf - you should be a Canadian.
Dimitri stay safe, be very careful, it feels a bit weird today and tonight (I live in Kipseli and there is a weird quietness for Kipseli-except for the helicopters all day. Stay safe!!
This is a link
http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/
from icepick's link.
(http://libcom.org/library/greek-riots-eyewitness-reports-12-december-2008)
It has updated reports and very important info from previous days and I believe they are going to continue updating. (It might be quicker to get info from there and the following links, it takes ,me at least, ages to translate even a short article, so for continuous info in proper English
- http://flywitness.com/news/2008/get-off-the-internet-greece-solidarity-demos/
- http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081211/ap_on_re_eu/eu_europe_unrest;_ylt=AlTIN4u.joGu2wvxhBoDsAJvaA8F
- http://libcom.org/tags/greece-unrest
- http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/12/414640.html
- http://athens.indymedia.org/?lang=en
This is a link
http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/
from icepick's link.
(http://libcom.org/library/greek-riots-eyewitness-reports-12-december-2008)
It has updated reports and very important info from previous days and I believe they are going to continue updating. (It might be quicker to get info from there and the following links, it takes ,me at least, ages to translate even a short article, so for continuous info in proper English
- http://flywitness.com/news/2008/get-off-the-internet-greece-solidarity-demos/
- http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081211/ap_on_re_eu/eu_europe_unrest;_ylt=AlTIN4u.joGu2wvxhBoDsAJvaA8F
- http://libcom.org/tags/greece-unrest
- http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/12/414640.html
- http://athens.indymedia.org/?lang=en
an up-to-date report from greek pages on the web :
The latest demonstrations of solidarity they report
-Paris
-Berlin
-Frankfurt
-Argentina
-Australia
(translating from
http:/ /athens.indymedia.org/?lang=el )
around Greece reports' section
-Larisa students' meetings, demo, 19 arrests-11 under age (unconfirmed)
-Tripoli demo, sat 13/12 Areos square, 5.00 pm
-Iraklio (Crete) meeting 6.00 pm at liontaria
-Kerkira (Corfu) continuing occupation of T.HX.EI where there was a screening of a documantary about May 68, open meeting from the take over committee (21.00)
-Patra Demo of about 500
(photos http://patras.indymedia.org/front.php3?lang=el&article_id=3249 )
Volos (12/12) A peaceful demo by radical left groups & students that came across the lined up riot police in front of the Economics uni(?)
From Thessaloniki's section
-7.00 pm sit down demo at the Lefkos Pirgos ( White Tower, the symbol of Thessaloniki )
(Garbage was thrown at the Mitropolis (a religious establishment, I guess the Cathedral of the city) and at other shops in the area, also ATMs were destroyed and a banner was displayed at the entrance of the Ministry of Macedonia - this from tv news on the web)
From indy Thessaloniki continue
(message sent to indy Thessaloniki )
The uni of Philosophiki (Philosophy uni) was closed with a lock, from 11.30 until the demo started (13.00) the iron entrance door was closed with a lock
* Announcement for Thessaloniki demonstration 14/12 , 13.00 pm Bikes and motorbikes demo outside the occupied Theatrical School (at Egnatia Street)
The latest demonstrations of solidarity they report
-Paris
-Berlin
-Frankfurt
-Argentina
-Australia
(translating from
http:/ /athens.indymedia.org/?lang=el )
around Greece reports' section
-Larisa students' meetings, demo, 19 arrests-11 under age (unconfirmed)
-Tripoli demo, sat 13/12 Areos square, 5.00 pm
-Iraklio (Crete) meeting 6.00 pm at liontaria
-Kerkira (Corfu) continuing occupation of T.HX.EI where there was a screening of a documantary about May 68, open meeting from the take over committee (21.00)
-Patra Demo of about 500
(photos http://patras.indymedia.org/front.php3?lang=el&article_id=3249 )
Volos (12/12) A peaceful demo by radical left groups & students that came across the lined up riot police in front of the Economics uni(?)
From Thessaloniki's section
-7.00 pm sit down demo at the Lefkos Pirgos ( White Tower, the symbol of Thessaloniki )
(Garbage was thrown at the Mitropolis
(a religious establishment, I guess the Cathedral of the city) and at other shops in the area, also ATMs were destroyed and a banner was displayed at the entrance of the Ministry of Macedonia - this from tv news on the web)From indy Thessaloniki continue
(message sent to indy Thessaloniki )
The uni of Philosophiki (Philosophy uni) was closed with a lock, from 11.30 until the demo started (13.00) the iron entrance door was closed with a lock
* Announcement for Thessaloniki demonstration 14/12 , 13.00 pm Bikes and motorbikes demo outside the occupied Theatrical School (at Egnatia Street)
latest from Athens ( translating from the updated feed on zougla.gr )
-tension and clashes at this time (1.48 am-sunday) between protesters and the police at the demo in front of the Parliament, Syndagma square
-A big fire erupted a short time ago at a branch of a bank in Panormou street. There are already fire trucks at the site ( 1.20 am sunday )
-Young men attacked with molotofs, a while ago from Polytechnic uni , a riot squad that was at George street (00.50.am)
-Clashes at this time in Exarhia. Molotov attacks a while ago at the police station of the area. (where Dimitris is/was and send his post)The police pushed away the protesters with chemicals. (23.15 pm-saturday)
-Protesters from radical left groups lit fires at the ministry of planning & public works (YPEXWDE) and at 3 branches of banks in Patision street (21.40 pm-saturday)
-tension and clashes at this time (1.48 am-sunday) between protesters and the police at the demo in front of the Parliament, Syndagma square
-A big fire erupted a short time ago at a branch of a bank in Panormou street. There are already fire trucks at the site ( 1.20 am sunday )
-Young men attacked with molotofs, a while ago from Polytechnic uni , a riot squad that was at George street (00.50.am)
-Clashes at this time in Exarhia. Molotov attacks a while ago at the police station of the area. (where Dimitris is/was and send his post)The police pushed away the protesters with chemicals. (23.15 pm-saturday)
-Protesters from radical left groups lit fires at the ministry of planning & public works (YPEXWDE) and at 3 branches of banks in Patision street (21.40 pm-saturday)
this is a video where Greek protesters ,but not only, are also singing in front of the riot squad at the monument of the Unknown Soldier in front of the Parliament.
one of the things shouted on this video "tomorrow it will be your kid"
on this the cameraman or someone close to him in a British accent(?) says"I want the wold to see... the little f... hiding up there -either directed at the little f... the riot police lined up in front of the parliament or at the other little f... inside, or both.
one of the things shouted on this video "tomorrow it will be your kid"
on this the cameraman or someone close to him in a British accent(?) says"I want the wold to see... the little f... hiding up there -either directed at the little f... the riot police lined up in front of the parliament or at the other little f... inside, or both.
Oh dear, oh dear.
I'll repeat my challenge. If anyone can find any post in any thread of mine where I support fascism I'll log out of 75 and never return.
That's not the silly use of the word to describe all police and anyone not a lefty socialist pillock but the true meaning of the word.
I await your searches but I know I'm safe as houses on this one with my total fucking off of the extreme right in any post I've ever made on any forum.
I await the word "sorry" from the daft cunts on the left.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Thanks for your info, you and Dimitris. Plus all that time in translation. Also, and for what it's worth, rising above and not responding to derf's unpleasantness seems to work well. Stay safe, good luck x
They were mates of the nazis 60 years ago?
Bloody hell your coppers must be old.
people like that are..... Do they all have rhythm too?
Silly stereotype making all of a group out as the same.
Union demo and other lefty bullshit. I've been refreshing my memory and it seems there were serious riots with the police defending the normal people from the far left idiots.
Unless of course the petrol bombs just happened to be kicking around and so handy after the filthy pigs attacked the innocent rioters.
It has been quiet for a while in Patission street
(the street that passes in front of the Polytechnic),
the young protesters have gone inside the uni which is still under occupation(4.20)
from zougla.gr updated 5.37 am
there is nothing else from zougla but plenty from indy, it's going to take me a while to post that
(the street that passes in front of the Polytechnic),
the young protesters have gone inside the uni which is still under occupation(4.20)
from zougla.gr updated 5.37 am
there is nothing else from zougla but plenty from indy, it's going to take me a while to post that
From reports to Indy Media Athens about everything happening in Athens on Saturday 13/12
-Attacks on banks,Kalamaki area (sat,13/12 4.43 am)
-attacks on banks in Kalamaki area (1.26 am sat)
edited : General City bank and Citybank
-"I was just passing Kalamakiou ave and saw 2 targets-banks being in flames without anything else being in danger.Bravo to the comrades!!!These are Alexis' nights!!!"
(1.52 am)
"Also fire at a new democracy's local office(n.d. the ruling party),Agrotiki bank and national bank.
Sclavenitis ( a supermarket chain)was smashed and a WIND and an OTEshop(mobile phone shops)
-attack on Alimou market(5.13 am)
-attack on Alimou market, 4 banks, n.d. offices and shops were hit
-"I was just passing, I saw police cars and 4 banks at Alimou Market burnt by (gazakia)self made fire bombs, some lads told me they hit also Sclaveniti's (super market), n.d. offices with molotov and Germanos(mobile phone's shop),OTEshop with metal bars. There are cops in the area but also from tv channels, if someone knows inform"
-1.33p.m sat
Amalias ave is closed now by many people!!
Start coming down comrades!
-Rigillis street
dozens of MAT(riot squad)(1.58p.m. sat)
-for info, Rigillis st towards Syndagma is full of MAT and undercover cops in the nearby alleys
-now at Syndagma there is a lot of people who've come down and also the kids from Moraiti school they are participating in the sit down demo.There's more people gathering for the assembly of Panekpedeutiki at 3.00
-demo at Chalandri (2.37 p.m.)
-Chalandri's police station under siege by protesters(11.47 a.m.)
-"Under siege the police station in Chalandri by protesters.
More than 200 protesters are outside the police station and shouting against the police and the MAT that are inside the building, there's also a fire truck...
The fight continues every day and every night"
the demo just finished after passing the police station of Chalandri and the main roads of the town. Kennedy's square was barricaded for quite some time and traffic was paralyzed(obstructed) in the surrounding streets.
Slogans were shouted, leaflets were passed.
There were many students from the area that took part, workers and from (?) the occupation of the old Town Hall.
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-Exarhia square 1.35a.m. sunday 14/12
Residents from the Exarhia area have come down in the streets, the square and the surrounding streets and are pushing the MAT back by shouting at them. They are not hesitant to use chemicals even now.
Everybody down at the square to kick them off today!!!
-Attacks on banks,Kalamaki area (sat,13/12 4.43 am)
-attacks on banks in Kalamaki area (1.26 am sat)
edited : General City bank and Citybank
-"I was just passing Kalamakiou ave and saw 2 targets-banks being in flames without anything else being in danger.Bravo to the comrades!!!These are Alexis' nights!!!"
(1.52 am)
"Also fire at a new democracy's local office(n.d. the ruling party),Agrotiki bank and national bank.
Sclavenitis ( a supermarket chain)was smashed and a WIND and an OTEshop(mobile phone shops)
-attack on Alimou market(5.13 am)
-attack on Alimou market, 4 banks, n.d. offices and shops were hit
-"I was just passing, I saw police cars and 4 banks at Alimou Market burnt by (gazakia)self made fire bombs, some lads told me they hit also Sclaveniti's (super market), n.d. offices with molotov and Germanos(mobile phone's shop),OTEshop with metal bars. There are cops in the area but also from tv channels, if someone knows inform"
-1.33p.m sat
Amalias ave is closed now by many people!!
Start coming down comrades!
-Rigillis street
dozens of MAT(riot squad)(1.58p.m. sat)
-for info, Rigillis st towards Syndagma is full of MAT and undercover cops in the nearby alleys
-now at Syndagma there is a lot of people who've come down and also the kids from Moraiti school they are participating in the sit down demo.There's more people gathering for the assembly of Panekpedeutiki at 3.00
-demo at Chalandri (2.37 p.m.)
-Chalandri's police station under siege by protesters(11.47 a.m.)
-"Under siege the police station in Chalandri by protesters.
More than 200 protesters are outside the police station and shouting against the police and the MAT that are inside the building, there's also a fire truck...
The fight continues every day and every night"
the demo just finished after passing the police station of Chalandri and the main roads of the town. Kennedy's square was barricaded for quite some time and traffic was paralyzed(obstructed) in the surrounding streets.
Slogans were shouted, leaflets were passed.
There were many students from the area that took part, workers and from (?) the occupation of the old Town Hall.
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-Exarhia square 1.35a.m. sunday 14/12
Residents from the Exarhia area have come down in the streets, the square and the surrounding streets and are pushing the MAT back by shouting at them. They are not hesitant to use chemicals even now.
Everybody down at the square to kick them off today!!!
(From zougla's .gr updates)
under control the fire that erupted at the ministry of environment, planning & public works at 147 Patission str (8.16 am)
from Indy Media Athens' page of reports about events in Athens
-"Out of our neighbourhood the murderers" was shouted at the MAT which were pushed away from Exarhia square(11.55pm-sat)
-demo of 500-600 people at Pireos st, closed to traffic, people from the area are joining the spontaneous demo, they're shouting slogans, along the demo cameras from banks were smashed.
-the demo continues along Iera st (3.40 am),windows at a national bank branch were smashed.
- the demo is over. At Pireos st cameras and banks were smashed, and only those. Just before Omonoia square riot squads appeared at the end part of the demo from the alleys, running away followed that, and the demo broke into smaller parts. There are rumours about 2 possible arrests, but at the moment just rumours. (3.45 am)
-everything was peaceful, at some point there were even long discussions between protesters+passerbys and some from the riot squads, until there was order to shut up (0.18 am)-from the Syndagma square demo, in front of the parliament
-"they're surrounding the demo, a few minutes ago, they're pushing the protesters to go away from the Parliament "(1.33 am)
-the pigs pushed away the protesters that were participating in the sit down demo, from the monument of the unknown soldier all the way down the steps at Syndagma square! The protesters were shouting back at them "cops, pigs, murderers' and "burn,let it burn, the brothel of a parliament"
-arson attack against a Eurobank branch in Panormou st a few minutes ago, 2 fire trucks are trying to put out the fire(1.58 am)
-pigs are attacking at Syndagma (3.55 am)
-about 10(pm-sat) people that were at Messologiou st and a few more we started demonstrating towards Monastiraki, we passed through Psiri, Thisio,Gazi where a lot of people got up but most just looked down. We continued towards Iera st and before reaching Omonoia square the riot police attacked us and people started running in the alleys. There is a possibility that there were arrests. Cameras and banks were smashed.
-16 people. they have arrested 16 people - at the Omonoia police station - 2.44am
-more than 20 arrests, most under age, they took them at GADA(police head quarters)
-arrests at omonoia square -3.59 am
under control the fire that erupted at the ministry of environment, planning & public works at 147 Patission str (8.16 am)
from Indy Media Athens' page of reports about events in Athens
-"Out of our neighbourhood the murderers" was shouted at the MAT which were pushed away from Exarhia square(11.55pm-sat)
-demo of 500-600 people at Pireos st, closed to traffic, people from the area are joining the spontaneous demo, they're shouting slogans, along the demo cameras from banks were smashed.
-the demo continues along Iera st (3.40 am),windows at a national bank branch were smashed.
- the demo is over. At Pireos st cameras and banks were smashed, and only those. Just before Omonoia square riot squads appeared at the end part of the demo from the alleys, running away followed that, and the demo broke into smaller parts. There are rumours about 2 possible arrests, but at the moment just rumours. (3.45 am)
-everything was peaceful, at some point there were even long discussions between protesters+passerbys and some from the riot squads, until there was order to shut up (0.18 am)-from the Syndagma square demo, in front of the parliament
-"they're surrounding the demo, a few minutes ago, they're pushing the protesters to go away from the Parliament "(1.33 am)
-the pigs pushed away the protesters that were participating in the sit down demo, from the monument of the unknown soldier all the way down the steps at Syndagma square! The protesters were shouting back at them "cops, pigs, murderers' and "burn,let it burn, the brothel of a parliament"
-arson attack against a Eurobank branch in Panormou st a few minutes ago, 2 fire trucks are trying to put out the fire(1.58 am)
-pigs are attacking at Syndagma (3.55 am)
-about 10(pm-sat) people that were at Messologiou st and a few more we started demonstrating towards Monastiraki, we passed through Psiri, Thisio,Gazi where a lot of people got up but most just looked down. We continued towards Iera st and before reaching Omonoia square the riot police attacked us and people started running in the alleys. There is a possibility that there were arrests. Cameras and banks were smashed.
-16 people. they have arrested 16 people - at the Omonoia police station - 2.44am
-more than 20 arrests, most under age, they took them at GADA(police head quarters)
-arrests at omonoia square -3.59 am
sorry to miss seeing your post cesare
"Thanks for your info, you and Dimitris. Plus all that time in translation. Also, and for what it's worth, rising above and not responding to derf's unpleasantness seems to work well. Stay safe, good luck x"
I'm glad I can be of some use from home, like Dimitris said before, anything you judge to be of use, pass it on. Thanks.
"Thanks for your info, you and Dimitris. Plus all that time in translation. Also, and for what it's worth, rising above and not responding to derf's unpleasantness seems to work well. Stay safe, good luck x"
I'm glad I can be of some use from home, like Dimitris said before, anything you judge to be of use, pass it on. Thanks.
Dimitris
Well-Known Member
Hello from Exarchia, Athens
No matter how much they tried last night and throughout this last week the Polytechnic is still taken over by comrades and will continue to be. Yesterday RIOT police together with police special forces were in nearly every corner around the polytechinc and the nearby streets. Their aim was to try and draw out the comrades from the polytechnic area and arrest them (they are not allowed to enter the polytechnic without permission).
There was a call out for comrades to all meet at the alley that Alexis was murrdered and start demos from there. Some of the us went from there and attacked the Exarchia Police Department, others went for demos at the city centre. These are demos that were decided on the spot, dont look out for any announcements etc.
Chaos was created in front of the Exarchia police department when a car belonging to the undercover police was set on fire. Riots started, that continued to Exarchia square. Road blocks were formed, and the police was trying to push everybody out of the square. Members of the public, people who were in their houses, got out and demanded from the police to leave the area. ASSASINS OUT OF EXARCHIA were shouting. The police responded with chemicals, but comrades and public effectively managed to push them back and out of the square. People were throwing them flower pots from the balconys as well as water, everybody was trying to do whatever to get the police out of there. A 60 years old man that was on the square as well, had to be transfered by an ambulance to the hospital because of serious breathing problems. There was a rumour that passed from mouth to mouth in the area that he died but I cannot confirm that, I can only confirm that he got in the ambulance.
Clashes with the police also took place at Stournari str, is the small street that is on the corner of the polytechnic and Patision avenue. Petrol bombs were thrown towards the police who responded with chemicals. I have heard that from that live streaming camera from zougla.gr the petrol bombs were seen.. I dont like that camera very much to be honest.
At about 3:30 in the morning while trouble with the police still existed a comrade was hit on his head, from a stone that a police man threw... Throughout the week the police has the habit to return the stones that they are thrown at, a LOT of people have been injured because of this, even people that are just passing by. No ambulance took the comrade, I dont really know how he got to the hospital, maybe by a car with somebody.
I told you yesterday that the demo that went towards Psyri was attacked by the police there. An another demo that also started from Exarchia, did a circle around the centre, passing from Gazi and other areas. They attacked to various banks on their way and broke CCTV cameras. A portion of the demo was trapped though when reached the Omonia square, around 50 people were detained and with a blue police van were taken to GADA, the police headquarters in Athens. Some of them were beaten by police, especially girls and particularly if they were under 18. They were finally all left free at about 5 this morning.
I know that the sit down demo at Syntagma square was also attacked by the police, for no reason at all. Stella has allready told you about this, if any of you were watching the live streaming camera may have seen that. After the first police attack that took them out Syntagma square a second happened at about 3:30 in the morning and the demo was completely destroyed.
A bank at Pattision str, (branch of the National Bank) was set on fire.
The situation got calm late at night, and it is still calm now
No matter how much they tried last night and throughout this last week the Polytechnic is still taken over by comrades and will continue to be. Yesterday RIOT police together with police special forces were in nearly every corner around the polytechinc and the nearby streets. Their aim was to try and draw out the comrades from the polytechnic area and arrest them (they are not allowed to enter the polytechnic without permission).
There was a call out for comrades to all meet at the alley that Alexis was murrdered and start demos from there. Some of the us went from there and attacked the Exarchia Police Department, others went for demos at the city centre. These are demos that were decided on the spot, dont look out for any announcements etc.
Chaos was created in front of the Exarchia police department when a car belonging to the undercover police was set on fire. Riots started, that continued to Exarchia square. Road blocks were formed, and the police was trying to push everybody out of the square. Members of the public, people who were in their houses, got out and demanded from the police to leave the area. ASSASINS OUT OF EXARCHIA were shouting. The police responded with chemicals, but comrades and public effectively managed to push them back and out of the square. People were throwing them flower pots from the balconys as well as water, everybody was trying to do whatever to get the police out of there. A 60 years old man that was on the square as well, had to be transfered by an ambulance to the hospital because of serious breathing problems. There was a rumour that passed from mouth to mouth in the area that he died but I cannot confirm that, I can only confirm that he got in the ambulance.
Clashes with the police also took place at Stournari str, is the small street that is on the corner of the polytechnic and Patision avenue. Petrol bombs were thrown towards the police who responded with chemicals. I have heard that from that live streaming camera from zougla.gr the petrol bombs were seen.. I dont like that camera very much to be honest.
At about 3:30 in the morning while trouble with the police still existed a comrade was hit on his head, from a stone that a police man threw... Throughout the week the police has the habit to return the stones that they are thrown at, a LOT of people have been injured because of this, even people that are just passing by. No ambulance took the comrade, I dont really know how he got to the hospital, maybe by a car with somebody.
I told you yesterday that the demo that went towards Psyri was attacked by the police there. An another demo that also started from Exarchia, did a circle around the centre, passing from Gazi and other areas. They attacked to various banks on their way and broke CCTV cameras. A portion of the demo was trapped though when reached the Omonia square, around 50 people were detained and with a blue police van were taken to GADA, the police headquarters in Athens. Some of them were beaten by police, especially girls and particularly if they were under 18. They were finally all left free at about 5 this morning.
I know that the sit down demo at Syntagma square was also attacked by the police, for no reason at all. Stella has allready told you about this, if any of you were watching the live streaming camera may have seen that. After the first police attack that took them out Syntagma square a second happened at about 3:30 in the morning and the demo was completely destroyed.
A bank at Pattision str, (branch of the National Bank) was set on fire.
The situation got calm late at night, and it is still calm now
Dimitris
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Translation of the statement of Nikos R., which describes what happened on the night of December 6 and how the police shot his friend Alexandros Grigoropoulos
I go to the first year of high school at Psychiko Public High School. I knew Alexandros, or Gregory (the pet name we used for him, from his last name) since 4th grade in elementary school. We used to go to the same school. Until the first year of middle school we didn't keep close company. From the first year of middle school however, until yesterday when they killed him, we were close friends.
Yesterday 12-6-2008 were you with Alexandros?
Yesterday around 5:50 p.m. I went with a friend from next door to Larisis Station. Before I went there, however, I had spoken with Alexandros. He told me that he was going to go to a polo match... I told him to call me when the match was over so we could meet at Mesolongi Street, in Exarcheia. He was going to go to the match with his friend Nikos F. and P. Ch. At regular intervals we used to meet there. We planned to go to Faros Psychikou, to find our friends from our old schools and go do something together because yesterday I celebrated my name day.
In the end, Alexandros called you when the match ended. Where was he going to go?
Yes, he called me and told me to start out and he would set out as well from the athletic field... From what I see on my cell phone the call from Alexandros happened at 7:10 p.m.
When did you meet with Alexandros on Mesolongi Street in Exarcheia?
I don't remember exactly. About 45 minutes before the incident. From my friend's house I went by foot. I went up Ipeirou (if I am not mistaken), then right to the Museum, left up on Stournari up to the square on the right, and 10 meters afterwards is Mesolongi. I waited for him 3 to 4 minutes.
When he came what did you do?
When he came we went to a convenience store 10 meters further up and we bought something to eat and two soft drinks... We went back again to the sidewalk on Mesologgiou Streeet to eat and talk.
Where exactly did you sit?
We sat there by the entrance of an apartment building at the intersection of Mesolongi and Tzavella, on the left side where we were watching Zoodochou Pigis Street. There they have three railings on the walkway where you can sit. We sat there. (At this point they show the witness a printed map of the area.) We ate the things we had bought and suddenly, as we were talking, we heard a somewhat loud bang. Near enough to us that we could hear it, but far enough away that we couldn't figured out what had happened. We didn't pay any attention...
Did you see light accompany the bang that you described to me?
No, because from the direction where we heard the bang, we didn't have visual contact, because there was a wall in front of us... In order to see what happens on Navarinou Street you have to leave down the middle of the walkway of Tzavella Street.
After a minute and a half we heard about 4 or 5 passers by "the cops are coming, something happened...". So out of curiosity, Alexandros and I went to the middle of Tzavella Street to see what had happened. A distance of 2 to 3 meters away... When we went out into the middle of the walkway we saw from a distance of 15 to 20 meters two police officers. They were right at the intersection of Zoodochou Pigis and Tzavella. One was taller than the other. Next they stopped at the intersection of the two streets... In front of us there was no one else. Alexandros was in front of me and I was behind and to the right of them. When the police stopped at Zoodochou Pigis and Tzavella, they had their hands, left or right I don't remember, on their weapons which were in their holsters which hang from the belt. Someone from behind me tossed an empty plastic bottle and naturally it did not reach the police. I forgot to tell you that when I saw the police, they started to curse at me and Alexandros, saying "We will f... the Virgin Mary, come here and I'll show you who is the tough guy" and things like that. The guys behind us were yelling "get back" and "go to hell..." at the police...
When someone threw the plastic bottle, the police, both of them if I am not mistaken, took their weapons out of their holsters, aimed in front of them, that is towards the place where I, Alexandros and the other person were, and three continuous shots were heard. I forgot to tell you that I am sure that one of the two police officers held his weapon with both hands. I saw then - and I am absolutely sure - that the police weren't shooting either towards the sky or towards the ground. They aimed towards our location and fired!
Alexandros fell down, if I am not mistaken on the first or second gunshot, surely anyways before the third... Afterwards, I didn't know what was going on. People were yelling and some people lifted up Alexandros' shirt. I saw that he had a hole in the middle of the chest and a little towards the heart. There was blood from the wound...
Let me tell you also that the police who fired, when they saw Alexandros fall, they left. I don't remember which direction... Then the ambulance came and took Alexandros, dead. I say this because he didn't have a pulse and there was blood coming from his mouth...
What light was there in the place where you described the incident?
Even though night had fallen, there was light from the street lamps on the poles which shines and also from the shops... Only one lamp wasn't working, to the left of Alexandros...
Do you want to tell us something else from everything you know?
The only thing I want to tell you is that they didn't kill Alexandros. They murdered him in cold blood...
I go to the first year of high school at Psychiko Public High School. I knew Alexandros, or Gregory (the pet name we used for him, from his last name) since 4th grade in elementary school. We used to go to the same school. Until the first year of middle school we didn't keep close company. From the first year of middle school however, until yesterday when they killed him, we were close friends.
Yesterday 12-6-2008 were you with Alexandros?
Yesterday around 5:50 p.m. I went with a friend from next door to Larisis Station. Before I went there, however, I had spoken with Alexandros. He told me that he was going to go to a polo match... I told him to call me when the match was over so we could meet at Mesolongi Street, in Exarcheia. He was going to go to the match with his friend Nikos F. and P. Ch. At regular intervals we used to meet there. We planned to go to Faros Psychikou, to find our friends from our old schools and go do something together because yesterday I celebrated my name day.
In the end, Alexandros called you when the match ended. Where was he going to go?
Yes, he called me and told me to start out and he would set out as well from the athletic field... From what I see on my cell phone the call from Alexandros happened at 7:10 p.m.
When did you meet with Alexandros on Mesolongi Street in Exarcheia?
I don't remember exactly. About 45 minutes before the incident. From my friend's house I went by foot. I went up Ipeirou (if I am not mistaken), then right to the Museum, left up on Stournari up to the square on the right, and 10 meters afterwards is Mesolongi. I waited for him 3 to 4 minutes.
When he came what did you do?
When he came we went to a convenience store 10 meters further up and we bought something to eat and two soft drinks... We went back again to the sidewalk on Mesologgiou Streeet to eat and talk.
Where exactly did you sit?
We sat there by the entrance of an apartment building at the intersection of Mesolongi and Tzavella, on the left side where we were watching Zoodochou Pigis Street. There they have three railings on the walkway where you can sit. We sat there. (At this point they show the witness a printed map of the area.) We ate the things we had bought and suddenly, as we were talking, we heard a somewhat loud bang. Near enough to us that we could hear it, but far enough away that we couldn't figured out what had happened. We didn't pay any attention...
Did you see light accompany the bang that you described to me?
No, because from the direction where we heard the bang, we didn't have visual contact, because there was a wall in front of us... In order to see what happens on Navarinou Street you have to leave down the middle of the walkway of Tzavella Street.
After a minute and a half we heard about 4 or 5 passers by "the cops are coming, something happened...". So out of curiosity, Alexandros and I went to the middle of Tzavella Street to see what had happened. A distance of 2 to 3 meters away... When we went out into the middle of the walkway we saw from a distance of 15 to 20 meters two police officers. They were right at the intersection of Zoodochou Pigis and Tzavella. One was taller than the other. Next they stopped at the intersection of the two streets... In front of us there was no one else. Alexandros was in front of me and I was behind and to the right of them. When the police stopped at Zoodochou Pigis and Tzavella, they had their hands, left or right I don't remember, on their weapons which were in their holsters which hang from the belt. Someone from behind me tossed an empty plastic bottle and naturally it did not reach the police. I forgot to tell you that when I saw the police, they started to curse at me and Alexandros, saying "We will f... the Virgin Mary, come here and I'll show you who is the tough guy" and things like that. The guys behind us were yelling "get back" and "go to hell..." at the police...
When someone threw the plastic bottle, the police, both of them if I am not mistaken, took their weapons out of their holsters, aimed in front of them, that is towards the place where I, Alexandros and the other person were, and three continuous shots were heard. I forgot to tell you that I am sure that one of the two police officers held his weapon with both hands. I saw then - and I am absolutely sure - that the police weren't shooting either towards the sky or towards the ground. They aimed towards our location and fired!
Alexandros fell down, if I am not mistaken on the first or second gunshot, surely anyways before the third... Afterwards, I didn't know what was going on. People were yelling and some people lifted up Alexandros' shirt. I saw that he had a hole in the middle of the chest and a little towards the heart. There was blood from the wound...
Let me tell you also that the police who fired, when they saw Alexandros fall, they left. I don't remember which direction... Then the ambulance came and took Alexandros, dead. I say this because he didn't have a pulse and there was blood coming from his mouth...
What light was there in the place where you described the incident?
Even though night had fallen, there was light from the street lamps on the poles which shines and also from the shops... Only one lamp wasn't working, to the left of Alexandros...
Do you want to tell us something else from everything you know?
The only thing I want to tell you is that they didn't kill Alexandros. They murdered him in cold blood...
Dimitri how does it sound for Greeks or not just Greeks to start wearing black armbands - it is another way of expressing the way we feel, and maybe not so peaceful if a lot of people start wearing one. Does it have any connotations we should avoid ? just throwing it out there as an idea
Dimitris
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I really cannot find any reason not to do it, it could be even "accompanied" with the global resistance day against state murders that it has been announced.
I think we need more and more people to express how they feel in ANY WAY, not only demos pass messages. This should not take the place of any other solidarity actions though
I think we need more and more people to express how they feel in ANY WAY, not only demos pass messages. This should not take the place of any other solidarity actions though
That's not what I was implying, of course not, when brutality from a police state is as loud as it has been, the response cannot be a peaceful and quiet one, but in addition to that
it would be interesting to see how many shopkeepers will decide to wear one, and what kind of effect this will have
Anyway, I'll let you continue with what you were doing, I value greatly what you have been doing,ALL OF IT, no matter my political affiliations, about certain things and at extremely importand situations I do beg to differ from my own party politics/tactics etc
((two more videos updated today from http://giantakos.blogspot.com/ The first one has images from the last few days and a very beautiful song
the second one is also interesting and shows, I think Dimitri, that I beg to differ when times call for me to do so)) -this link for reasons I suspect but do not understand has blocked access to his site / it is working now,but they are playing games at which I will not participate and my apologies for adding this link without checking a bit more, to my defense it was a link from the Youtube video showing Alexis shooting,even so my apologies)-12.17am monday the 15th of dec
p.s. from a previous post of yours Dimitri, I repeat here again, some things need repeating at times, "... we have to understand that, when horror does not awaken consciousness, the smell of burning is necessary..."
p.s.2 I'm sorry for quoting the old fashioned way, haven't found how to quote yet like proper u75s, I'll get there
it would be interesting to see how many shopkeepers will decide to wear one, and what kind of effect this will have
Anyway, I'll let you continue with what you were doing, I value greatly what you have been doing,ALL OF IT, no matter my political affiliations, about certain things and at extremely importand situations I do beg to differ from my own party politics/tactics etc
((two more videos updated today from http://giantakos.blogspot.com/ The first one has images from the last few days and a very beautiful song
the second one is also interesting and shows, I think Dimitri, that I beg to differ when times call for me to do so)) -this link for reasons I suspect but do not understand has blocked access to his site / it is working now,but they are playing games at which I will not participate and my apologies for adding this link without checking a bit more, to my defense it was a link from the Youtube video showing Alexis shooting,even so my apologies)-12.17am monday the 15th of dec
p.s. from a previous post of yours Dimitri, I repeat here again, some things need repeating at times, "... we have to understand that, when horror does not awaken consciousness, the smell of burning is necessary..."
p.s.2 I'm sorry for quoting the old fashioned way, haven't found how to quote yet like proper u75s, I'll get there
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Dimitris, is this by any chance your comment on the BBC Have Your Say?
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Dimitris
Well-Known Member
Not mate it is not mine.
By the way, an info completely irrelevant to your quote but I found out now that I have not mentioned it.
During all these days the police in Athens only has used about 4,5 TONS of chemicals. Because they run out they ordered new ones from Israel, we had a taste of them last night. It is the worst feeling that I have ever had from police chemicals, very very strong.
One thing is certain... Israeli police has managed nothing with these chemicals against palestinias, so they are not going to stop as as well.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Taken from The Times, there's a certain surreal beauty in this......
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article5337633.ece
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article5337633.ece
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