Argentina to fly the flag of Las Malvinas at London Olympics

[Casually Red]

"Imagine all the steak houses across Europe that would stop selling chimichuri?

yeah , i can just imagine all those europeans whod voluntarily let their livelihoods go to the wall to support Britians claim to an argentinain archipeligo 5000 miles away . Theyd be voluntarily contracting BSE by the thousand in a gesture of pro british suppport . Garcon...some spinal cord in a bap..tout de suite

 

[CyberRose]

yeah , i can just imagine all those europeans whod voluntarily let their livelihoods go to the wall to support Britians claim to an argentinain archipeligo 5000 miles away . Theyd be voluntarily contracting BSE by the thousand in a gesture of pro british suppport . Garcon...some spinal cord in a bap..tout de suite

You don't have to imagine it, it's in the EU Treaty that the Falklands are British...

 

[Deareg]

How about doing a deal with them based on the Olympics.

If they win more medals than us we'll enter negotiations. If we win more, they have to stop trying to steal them for at least 20 years.

Then we could have double or quits on a football match.

 

[likesfish]

As the Argentine military would struggle to get a meaningful military force to the island without any british involvement.
their aircraft are a collection of 1980's refurbs facing typhoons which are the best air to air fighter at the moment (the f22 may be better but at the moment it poisons its pilots so meh)
The argentine military have been starved of money since 82 and apart form some light UN duties have no combat experience HM armed forces have been off bothering people abroad for the last ten years so best not bother them.
as we still have nucelar attack submarines that can now launch cruise missiles starting something would be insane.

 

[Deareg]

I just hope to fuck that no one will ever be stupid enough to go to war over them again.

 

[likesfish]

Then we could have double or quits on a football match.

http://www.databaseolympics.com/country/countrypage.htm?cty=ARG
Argentina total gold 17 silver23 bronze 26 nil at the winter
uk
http://www.databaseolympics.com/country/countrypage.htm?cty=GBR
total gold 219 silver 268 bronze 259 winter 28 medals
somehow I don't think its coming down to penaltys

only the Brtish left would support a land grab by a facist Junta

 

[Casually Red]

thankfully im not british , however the british left supported british imperialism . As it tends to . While Cuba supported Argetinian attempts to recover its sovereignty from British imperialism . And even offered to send ground troops to repel any British invasion . Something the argentinians declined , much to their detriment .

 

[Deareg]

http://www.databaseolympics.com/country/countrypage.htm?cty=ARG
Argentina total gold 17 silver23 bronze 26 nil at the winter
uk
http://www.databaseolympics.com/country/countrypage.htm?cty=GBR
total gold 219 silver 268 bronze 259 winter 28 medals
somehow I don't think its coming down to penaltys

only the Brtish left would support a land grab by a facist Junta

If thatcher had felt the need we would have had a right wing dictatorship in Britain, and I don't recall the British right objecting to receiving help from another fascist junta.

 

[Pickman's model]

If thatcher had felt the need we would have had a right wing dictatorship in Britain

i'm not so sure. i don't think you can really substantiate that.

 

[Deareg]

i'm not so sure. i don't think you can really substantiate that.

Probably can't no, but I believe it to be true especially remembering the illegal way the police carried on during the miners strike.

 

[Pickman's model]

thankfully im not british , however the british left supported british imperialism . As it tends to . While Cuba supported Argetinian attempts to recover its sovereignty from British imperialism . And even offered to send ground troops to repel any British invasion . Something the argentinians declined , much to their detriment .

in all honesty i don't think you can plausibly argue that argentina was attempting to recover its sovereignty. it was a gamble by a really rather vile regime - a regime which frankly makes even margaret thatcher look like a reasonable human being. according to wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands - Britain first laid claim to the islands in the sixteenth century, though they were not neccesarily the first nation to sight or claim them. but that does somewhat predate the foundation of argentina. the argentine claim seems to descend from the spanish and if we're going by first claim - as you seem to be - then of the two competing claims the british is the greater.

 

[Pickman's model]

"Losing"? I think you'll find it's actually called "giving control back to the Iraqis/Afghanis"

Won't come to that...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_trade_of_Argentina#Exports_and_imports

Surprisingly, the EU is the second major trading partner of Argentina after the rest of South America, even in front of North America. EU sanctions would fuck Argentina up more than any war would. Imagine all the steak houses across Europe that would stop selling chimichuri?

chim chim cheree?

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Personally I couldn't give a damn what the Argentine or British governments want to do with The Falklands. It's kind of up to the people who live there don't you think?

 

[Pickman's model]

Personally I couldn't give a damn what the Argentine or British governments want to do with The Falklands. It's kind of up to the people who live there don't you think?

not really, no.

 

[Deareg]

Personally I couldn't give a damn what the Argentine or British governments want to do with The Falklands. It's kind of up to the people who live there don't you think?

If only life were that simple.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

not really, no.

Why not?

If only life were that simple.

I'm not claiming it's simple, just that I believe its up to the inhabitants of the islands who were born there. It's their home, and 1833 is a long time ago.

 

[Pickman's model]

Why not?

because if the british government decides it no longer wants or needs the falklands it will dispose of them with or without the consent of the falkland islanders. things like consent and wanting to remain british were useful for margaret thatcher in her campaign not only to recapture the falklands (and south georgia) but also to recapture power following the next general election.

 

[Pickman's model]

Why not?

I'm not claiming it's simple, just that I believe its up to the inhabitants of the islands who were born there. It's their home, and 1833 is a long time ago.

have you heard of the falkland islands company?

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

because if the british government decides it no longer wants or needs the falklands it will dispose of them with or without the consent of the falkland islanders. things like consent and wanting to remain british were useful for margaret thatcher in her campaign not only to recapture the falklands (and south georgia) but also to recapture power following the next general election.

Ok I see what you mean now. I intended to mean that it should be up to them, not that it actually is. Obviously politics get in the way of things like this though.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

have you heard of the falkland islands company?

I hadn't, no. Just reading about it on wiki now. Very strange.

 

[Casually Red]

in all honesty i don't think you can plausibly argue that argentina was attempting to recover its sovereignty. it was a gamble by a really rather vile regime - a regime which frankly makes even margaret thatcher look like a reasonable human being. according to wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands - Britain first laid claim to the islands in the sixteenth century, though they were not neccesarily the first nation to sight or claim them. but that does somewhat predate the foundation of argentina. the argentine claim seems to descend from the spanish and if we're going by first claim - as you seem to be - then of the two competing claims the british is the greater.

so fuck . Britian is many thousands of miles away . The nature of the then argentinian regime is an irrelevance . Its British imperialism encroaching across the globe .

in all honesty i don't think you can plausibly argue that argentina was attempting to recover its sovereignty.

in all honesty you appear clueless as to how this issue is viewed not only in argentina but accross Latin America . Castros support for Argentina had a major and immediate effect on its entire relationship with the rest of Latin America . Previously ice cold relations thawed immeasurably between ideological enemies accross that continent to the point the reagan administration became deeply alarmed. Cuban trade missions sprang up all over the continent . Argentina replaced Mexico as Cubas biggest Latin American trading partner . Overnight Cuba and Venezuelas relationship as armed adversaries seeking each others overthrow transformed to alliance . Similarly both countries hatred of Galtieris argentina also became transformed into an alliance virtually overnight .

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...6UzAAAAIBAJ&sjid=rTgHAAAAIBAJ&pg=1119,5254070

Galtieris junta is long gone but the Latin American sense of greivance at colonialism in las malvinas remains as strong as ever . It did not by any means begin with Galtieri or indeed end with him . To continue framing it in that context is absolutely absurd . But reassuring i suppose .

 

[likesfish]

Argentina's explantaion for ingnoring the wishes of the islanders (ignoring the obvious that they are inbred weirdos)
Is they are a transplanted colonists.
This coming from a nation of colonists you've got to admire their neck. I can imagine a junta being really keen to have several thousand heavily armed communists turn up.

 

[ferrelhadley]

Colonialism and empire involved the disposession, extermination and enslavement of hundreds of millions. It was the greatest series of crimes in human history and the UK is up to its elbows in it.

But if the Falklands was a crime in that context it was a bit of shoplifting next to mass murder happening else where.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Colonialism and empire involved the disposession, extermination and enslavement of hundreds of millions. It was the greatest series of crimes in human history and the UK is up to its elbows in it.

But if the Falklands was a crime in that context it was a bit of shoplifting next to mass murder happening else where.

And the Argentine claim to the islands is akin to one looter complaining to another "Oi, I nicked that first"

 

[Pickman's model]

so fuck . Britian is many thousands of miles away . The nature of the then argentinian regime is an irrelevance . Its British imperialism encroaching across the globe .

most people would, i suggest, associate british imperialism encroaching across the globe with the first and second british empires rather than the defence and reconquest of territory held by britain.

in all honesty you appear clueless as to how this issue is viewed not only in argentina but accross Latin America . Castros support for Argentina had a major and immediate effect on its entire relationship with the rest of Latin America . Previously ice cold relations thawed immeasurably between ideological enemies accross that continent to the point the reagan administration became deeply alarmed. Cuban trade missions sprang up all over the continent . Argentina replaced Mexico as Cubas biggest Latin American trading partner . Overnight Cuba and Venezuelas relationship as armed adversaries seeking each others overthrow transformed to alliance . Similarly both countries hatred of Galtieris argentina also became transformed into an alliance virtually overnight .

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...6UzAAAAIBAJ&sjid=rTgHAAAAIBAJ&pg=1119,5254070

Galtieris junta is long gone but the Latin American sense of greivance at colonialism in las malvinas remains as strong as ever . It did not by any means begin with Galtieri or indeed end with him . To continue framing it in that context is absolutely absurd . But reassuring i suppose .

i don't give a fucking fuck about 'how this issue is viewed not only in argentina but across latin america' when it has fuck all to do with the point i made.

i said 'i don't think you can plausibly argue that argentina was attempting to regain its sovereignty' not 'tell me what people think about the falklands in latin america'. if you think that an argentine regime which specialised in dropping people from planes into the river plate is something to be supported in its military escapades, that's up to you. just don't expect everyone else to follow suit.

 

[likesfish]

the islanders have been their for 150 years
anybody who thinks they don't have the right to decide their own future

is a cunt who really needs to have a word with themselves. they may not be the most photogenic people on the planet.
Beghaus jackets and wellies not very exotic.

But the only threat they are is to Argentina's self image which is mostly self inflicted grow the fuck up. The only people who think we should own ireland are weidros and wind up merchants (and bankers they do have a point though) and its 30 miles less distance between london and dublin than
the coast of argentina and the falklands!.

 

[Pickman's model]

the islanders have been their for 150 years
anybody who thinks they don't have the right to decide their own future

is a cunt who really needs to have a word with themselves. they may not be the most photogenic people on the planet.
Beghaus jackets and wellies not very exotic.

But the only threat they are is to Argentina's self image which is mostly self inflicted grow the fuck up. The only people who think we should own ireland are weidros and wind up merchants (and bankers they do have a point though) and its 30 miles less distance between london and dublin than
the coast of argentina and the falklands!.

i suppose that you think the islanders were consulted every time the issue was discussed between british and argentine diplomats before 1982. as i've said above, the islanders' wishes count for nought. however, the falkland islands company's wishes probably carry considerably more weight in the corridors of whitehall. as for the distance between dublin and london and the east coast of argentina and the west coast of east falkland, that's got fuck all to do with anything.

 

[twentythreedom]

Imagine all the steak houses across Europe that would stop selling chimichuri?

I'd go on an anti-war march for that reason alone!

 

[Casually Red]

[quote="likesfish, post:

Argentina's explantaion for ingnoring the wishes of the islanders (ignoring the obvious that they are inbred weirdos)
Is they are a transplanted colonists.

no , its that theyre transplanted colonists on argentinian territory whos allegiance to an imperialist country on the other side of the world is used as justification by that imperialist country to occupy argentina territory thousands of miles from its own coast . On a different hemisphere.

This coming from a nation of colonists you've got to admire their neck.

on a continent of imported colonists , who managed - largely to kick out the colonialist countries and asseert their own sovereignty as free nations. Bolivar is revered by left and right , throughout the continent .

I can imagine a junta being really keen to have several thousand heavily armed communists turn up.

well they werent because they thought it would alienate the yanks - who supported Britian anyway- which led to Galtieri engaging in the thawing of diplomatic links with Cuba and sending diplomatic representatives to visit Havana. And the rise of anti yankee sentiment accross the continent even from its previously staunch supporters . Which is probably why the yankees consciously refer to the place as Las Malvinas today .

 

[Casually Red]

[quote="Pickman's model, post:

most people would, i suggest, associate british imperialism encroaching across the globe with the first and second british empires rather than the defence and reconquest of territory held by britain.

most british people probably would , however they arent most people . Theres rather a lot more people in Latin America than in Britian . And most of them wouldnt agree . Just as i dont agree with Britian holding onto the territory of my own nation it refused to relinquish using the excuse of the very same inbred fucking paisleyites it planted here who see themselves as superior to their neighbours .

i don't give a fucking fuck about 'how this issue is viewed not only in argentina but across latin america' when it has fuck all to do with the point i made.

well apart from this not being a say fuck competition your assuming your point is relevant . I would suggest your dismissal of the issue of the issue of sovereignty , which numerous governments in Latin America continually emphasise as the issue , is a tad irrelevant to the issue at hand . Sovereignty , and Britians right to violate argentinas .

i said 'i don't think you can plausibly argue that argentina was attempting to regain its sovereignty'

when sovereignty appears to be the issue not just Argentina but numerous governments in that region keep raising then i think once can plausibly argue the issue is indeed sovereignty , and that many countries apart from argentina do plausibly argue it . No matter how much youd prefer it to be something else .

not 'tell me what people think about the falklands in latin america'. if you think that an argentine regime which specialised in dropping people from planes into the river plate is something to be supported in its military escapades, that's up to you.

as i said youd like it to be something else , a complete irrelevance . Dropping people out of planes or not dropping people out of planes is completely irrelvant to the issue, its not X factor . Ms Kirchner doesnt drop people out of planes . By your logic then her assertion of Argentinian sovereignty must carry more weight . But of course it doesnt , hence that issue is an irrelevance . Yet you insist on keeping raising it .

just don't expect everyone else to follow suit.

everyone else where ? here ? I dont expect hardly anyone on a British forum to deviate from the British position of ownership .