Arab Woman gives Muslims a Thrashing
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Gmarthews said:So you don't deny it then
labelling people around us is natural, isn't it?
I don't deny what? That i'm capable of divining peoples beliefs from their words and actions and so don't need them to wear a sign. No, sir, i do not!
butchersapron
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Gmarthews said:Labelling things simplistically!! Keep up!
I never once said that i did. That was you mate. What's wrong with your memory? I said that i didn't need a sign hung around someones neck to work out their beliefs - that i could manage that through interaction with them - and expressed my bafflement at your inability to do same. Suggested help from council.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Gmarthews said:
"Why are you unable to distinguish peoples beliefs on the basis of that they say and do anyway? It's not that hard. Maybe you could get a grant for a home help or something?"
Yep, it's not hard. Does this puzzle you too? Something not being hard doesn't mean that it's therefore simplistic (or untrue). Simple or easy doesn't mean simplistic. Unless you're simple.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What video?
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
I tend to be suspicious of anything that says "the muslim world thinks this" as if all muslims automatically say the same thing.
and i tend to be a bit dismissive of people who say "oh u cant understand this unless u've watched the video" because it just seems a bit sort of , i dunno, cult-like, and like you're not thinking for yourself
I must admit the title of your thread doesn't really make me want to watch the video because I suspect it will just be the same type of "THE WANT TO DESTROY OUR FREEDOMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111" islamophobic shit that has become so popular since 9/11
and i tend to be a bit dismissive of people who say "oh u cant understand this unless u've watched the video" because it just seems a bit sort of , i dunno, cult-like, and like you're not thinking for yourself
I must admit the title of your thread doesn't really make me want to watch the video because I suspect it will just be the same type of "THE WANT TO DESTROY OUR FREEDOMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111" islamophobic shit that has become so popular since 9/11
Gmart
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One of the joys of this vid was the calmness of her in comparison with the religious priest, whose comments halfway thru were pretty much out of order... Still both you and Aldeberan are prejudiced because of the lack of knowledge you have due to your refusal to watch it. I don't mind ignorance (from an ignoring POV) but going on to comment in the thread from this position would seem almost troll-like!
Gmarthews said:
The Qur'an was revealed over 1400 years ago, 4 all time.
in those days, even 2day maybe in some places, slavery was a part of life, of course there will be references 2 slavery.
Islam places a high value on freeing slaves.
btw i wouldnt pay much attention 2 anything from memri, its well known theyre a zionist outfit.
FridgeMagnet
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Yeah, but the thing is, I've seen the video. I saw it when it was first punted into the blogosphere by MEMRI, and I watched it again recently to make sure it was the same one (well, some of it; it's all pretty samey and you get the point within a minute or less, so you can fast-forward through quite a bit). She doesn't have an argument worth speaking of, more an opinion, but I propose that because it appeals to your pseudo-secularism you support the basic idea of someone bashing Islam, and because said position is dressed up in "enlightenment" clothing you have to say that you think she has a good argument. However you have singularly failed to to articulate what this argument is - not what she's saying, what the actual argument, if any, is - and why it's worth anyone's time to listen to it. (It's not, by the way, for anyone who hasn't and is wondering. Watch 30 seconds and that's more than you need.)Gmarthews said:Prejudice: an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.
You are without knowledge of the video.
Difficult to put it much clearer than that...
I was wondering whether by some strange miracle you'd managed to divine something from this clip that nobody yet on the internet had managed to, the interpretations so far that I've seen mostly being "look! muslims are primitive, just like I saw on TV! this woman says so and she's from muslim-land!" but it seems not.
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
The 'Ann Coulter' of Syrian-Alawites. Nuff said.
Gmart
Well-Known Member
The different clashes she describes are interesting:
What is wrong with starting a debate about this?
Her argument which Fridge Magnet seemed to miss was that it is Islam which is wrong here.
How anyone can watch this video and decide that she has no view beggars belief!
She is even asked if she feels that Islam is backward and ignorant. To which she simply answers 'yes'.
How can that not be a view?
She then urges Muslims to rethink their division between believers and non-believers.
She goes on to point out that the people of the book are actually the people of many books, which are used in medicine etc in Islamic society.
She goes on to support the freedom of religion by saying
She pronounces herself to be a secular human being.
She then pays tribute to the scientific talent of the Jews. Then pays more tribute to the peaceful methods of the Jews and Buddhists in comparison to the violence of the Muslims (citing the destruction of the Buddhist Statues in Afghanistan as example).
She finishes by calling on Muslims to recognise their common humanity with all faiths, before demanding respect from them.
To interpret my view of this video as Fridge Magnet did, is misinterpreting me and the video completely. I was trying to show another side of the story, and for my pains I got abuse.
What is wrong with starting a debate about this?
Her argument which Fridge Magnet seemed to miss was that it is Islam which is wrong here.
How anyone can watch this video and decide that she has no view beggars belief!
She is even asked if she feels that Islam is backward and ignorant. To which she simply answers 'yes'.
How can that not be a view?
She then urges Muslims to rethink their division between believers and non-believers.
She goes on to point out that the people of the book are actually the people of many books, which are used in medicine etc in Islamic society.
She goes on to support the freedom of religion by saying
She pronounces herself to be a secular human being.
She then pays tribute to the scientific talent of the Jews. Then pays more tribute to the peaceful methods of the Jews and Buddhists in comparison to the violence of the Muslims (citing the destruction of the Buddhist Statues in Afghanistan as example).
She finishes by calling on Muslims to recognise their common humanity with all faiths, before demanding respect from them.
To interpret my view of this video as Fridge Magnet did, is misinterpreting me and the video completely. I was trying to show another side of the story, and for my pains I got abuse.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Thank you; you've entirely proved my point with that post, indicating that there is just a little confusion between a position and an argument. For example:
Your po-faced outrage at being called on this just makes it funnier. You took no effort at all (grabbing a random link from the internet and slapping it up is not effort, it's bookmarking) and haven't yet done more than say "this is what this woman thinks, it's great". Little things like "which statements of hers I agree with and why" are useful when it comes to this sort of thing. I'd also be incredibly surprised if you knew a single thing about the background and origin and history of this video (apart from the bits you google before replying to me now, obviously).
If you want to actually discuss anything it helps to say "this is an argument that I am agreeing with, this is why, what do you think Urban?". If you do actually want to discuss anything I might suggest that as a course of action, but I'm not holding my breath.
View, argument, whatever, all the same isn't it?
Your po-faced outrage at being called on this just makes it funnier. You took no effort at all (grabbing a random link from the internet and slapping it up is not effort, it's bookmarking) and haven't yet done more than say "this is what this woman thinks, it's great". Little things like "which statements of hers I agree with and why" are useful when it comes to this sort of thing. I'd also be incredibly surprised if you knew a single thing about the background and origin and history of this video (apart from the bits you google before replying to me now, obviously).
If you want to actually discuss anything it helps to say "this is an argument that I am agreeing with, this is why, what do you think Urban?". If you do actually want to discuss anything I might suggest that as a course of action, but I'm not holding my breath.
I agree with FridgeMagnet.
No, it's derisory. Why focus solely on Islamic countries? Look at the whole of the third world.
What does the West have to gain discouraging the development of these countries through sanctions, military intervention and the support of repressive Governments?
Of course she has views. We all do.
I thought we were having a debate? You ignored my post on the second page.
Gmarthews if your black and white thinking makes you happy then good for you. But please don't inflict it on others.
Alternatively, raise your game.
I've no idea what this means...
Gmarthews said:
No, it's derisory. Why focus solely on Islamic countries? Look at the whole of the third world.
What does the West have to gain discouraging the development of these countries through sanctions, military intervention and the support of repressive Governments?
Gmarthews said:
Of course she has views. We all do.
I thought we were having a debate? You ignored my post on the second page.
Gmarthews if your black and white thinking makes you happy then good for you. But please don't inflict it on others.
Alternatively, raise your game.
Gmarthews said:
I've no idea what this means...
