Arab Woman gives Muslims a Thrashing

[Gmart]

This Arab women tells it how it is.

See here.

Comparing the Islamic world and attitude to that of primitives!

Heaven Knows what other Muslims might feel about her outburst!!

 

[editor]

Why should anyone care what "this Arab woman" thinks?
Please you could provide some reasons?

 

[Gmart]

Well the video seems quite self-explanatory, she is comparing the attitudes within the Muslim world, and beyond.

I thought that this is the forum to post religious issues??

 

[editor]

Well the video seems quite self-explanatory, she is comparing the attitudes within the Muslim world, and beyond.

But she's not posting here - you are.

So please explain what your point is for those people not inclined to sit through poorly explained videos, and why you feel "this Arab woman's" opinion should be listened to.

It's rather a courtesy.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

You've not seen this before? It's nearly two years old. I don't recall any meaningful conclusion drawn by anyone from it since, despite its spreading by MEMRI and posting on millions of blogs, so you might have a job doing so now.

 

[Gmart]

Well I am confused, but bin it if it is not allowed.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

And she does have a name, you know, which presumably you are aware of, and her other output, and so on.

 

[Gmart]

You've not seen this before? It's nearly two years old. I don't recall any meaningful conclusion drawn by anyone from it since, despite its spreading by MEMRI and posting on millions of blogs, so you might have a job doing so now.

Found it on Stumble Upon and seemed relevant...

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Found it on Stumble Upon and seemed relevant...

Relevant to what? That's what you're being asked here.

 

[Gmart]

The evolution of the Muslim world in the face of globalisation.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

In what way?

 

[cesare]

The evolution of the Muslim world in the face of globalisation.

How does that = 'arab woman gives muslims a thrashing'?

 

[Gmart]

Watch the video! She talks about the necessary modernisation of the attitudes within the Muslim world. The acceptance of the books the West has, and the knowledge we have, and the progression towards our rights. She points out how many Muslims treat their women as 'beasts'

Like I say, if you wish to bin it, then please do, but I thought it was interesting and thus I was bringing it to the attention of the community.

 

[Gmart]

How does that = 'arab woman gives muslims a thrashing'?

Not the best title I suppose, second thoughts I would have chosen another, but it was the title on Google vids..

 

[cesare]

Nah, the comments were enough, thanks all the same.

 

[Gmart]

I thought her words were very incisive, and I thought others would gain from hearing them.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Well, I can't be arsed saying "in what way?" each time. Whatever.

 

[Chilliconcarne]

I've seen this before, and while it could be considered an interesting perspective, its just propaganda.

 

[Gmart]

I've seen this before, and while it could be considered an interesting perspective, its just propaganda.

Propaganda: information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc?

Everything is propaganda really!!

I thought it was interesting in the ways I described. I don't see the big problem with bringing such an interesting video to the attention of people on a discussion website.

I think her views are very progressive, and shows a significant amount of academic study.

The Muslim world is stuck in the middle ages as she says, and is using the West as an enemy to maintain their status quo (one might argue that we are ding the same!!)

The division between believers and non-believers,, which is in the Koran causes many problems, and she seems to be recognising the need to be selective in ones interpretation of it.

For example the Koran has many references to slaves, as if this is the natural way. In the modern world I would hope that we are beyond this, and that Muslims would accept this, coming out in favour of personal interpretation, rather than divine truth.

 

[yield]

The Muslim world is stuck in the middle ages as she says, and is using the West as an enemy to maintain their status quo (one might argue that we are ding the same!!)

There is no homogeneous "muslim world" or Christendom either. Islam is different in Nigeria, Albania, Saudi Arabia and Indonesia.

This imagined community is not in the Middle Ages because there is no continuous and unilinear development of World History.

Looking at History it's possible that if it wasn't for certain Islamic Empires, Europe might still be in its Middle Ages.

"The Renaissance was so called because it was a "rebirth" of certain classical ideas that had long been lost to Europe. It has been argued that the fuel for this rebirth was the rediscovery of ancient texts that had been forgotten by Western civilization, but were preserved in some monastic libraries and in the Islamic world, and the translations of Greek and Arabic texts into Latin."

wiki - Renaissance

Also this.

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I'd rather ask, "What does the West have to gain discouraging the development of these countries through sanctions, military intervention and the support of repressive Governments?"

 

[Gmart]

I appreciate the complexity and great tradition of the Islamic world (FWOABP). if it weren't for them, we wouldn't have half the knowledge we have now!

Is their relative lack of freedom hindering this great tradition?

What did you think of the OP yield?

Do you agree with Ms Sultan's assessment?

I accept of course that it is difficult to make generalisations, and that the extremists have a different interpretation of the Koran.

Are moderates more open to the modern personal interpretation of religious texts?

How influential are the extremists? And it what numbers?

Does the West actually affect day-to-day life of Muslims? If so, how is this a problem?

You ask what does the West have to gain. And I suppose my answer is that it is not the West which gains, but the Islamic world which loses. The West wants resources, but it has them. The West wants democracy and so that is on the table. Primarily the West gains the advantages of war. If one has a war, one can justify cutting down on rights, which they wouldn't get away with under peace conditions.


Mandatory PC comment: apologies for the phrases Islamic World and The West. These are generalisations. There are many in The West, who might be Elsewhere (say Korea or Japan or China even) and even then this attitude is by no means shared by all, or even the majority. Similarly the Islamic World refers to Muslims regardless to geographic position, again with the same proviso.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

In what way?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

The evolution of the Muslim world in the face of globalisation.

And the evolution of the non Muslim world in the face of globalisation is what...X Factor and Strictly Come Dancing?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

And the evolution of the non Muslim world in the face of globalisation is what...X Factor and Strictly Come Dancing?

You could start your own thread about the non muslim world and globalization.

The only diff will be that you won't get two mods tag-teaming you.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

You could start your own thread about the non muslim world and globalization.

The only diff will be that you won't get two mods tag-teaming you.

True, maybe their just bored today?

 

[yield]

Is their relative lack of freedom hindering this great tradition?

It isn't only people in Islamic countries that lack freedom. Idealistically everyone should have a say in how they are governed.

Are moderates more open to the modern personal interpretation of religious texts?

My limited understanding is that the Abrahamic religions have long been open to personal interpretation. "Modern" political Islam rejects authority and tradition on the basis of a return-to-the-text. Is that modernity?

Does the West actually affect day-to-day life of Muslims? If so, how is this a problem?

The American declaration of the War on Terror, against the nefarious non-entity al-Qaeda, has seen a rise in Islamophobia and crimes against Muslims, and people thought to be Muslims.

...The West wants resources, but it has them. The West wants democracy and so that is on the table.

Does the West really want Democracy? Isn't a Democratically elected Government likely to nationalise the countries resources?

Mandatory PC comment: apologies for the phrases Islamic World and The West. These are generalisations. ...

It isn't about Political Correctness (gawn mahd) it's critical reasoning. Yes, never confuse the map for the terrain, but you want as much detail as you can find.

 

[editor]

The only diff will be that you won't get two mods tag-teaming you.

 

[soulman]

On their mobile phones, from the boozer.

 

[Aldebaran]

So you think there are no "Arab women" but this one who comment on their society (and so sorry, I do not open links to external sites).

What on earth is so special and relevant about this (for you)?

Maybe you could read some of the books written by Fatima Mernissi (famous Moroccan sociologue) and actually get an academic and founded view on societal problems in the MENA region and insight in problems of women living there. (I don't always agree with her comments, especially when she tears Islam and the Prophet into it but that is irrelevant and besides the point here).

salaam.

 

[Gmart]

(and so sorry, I do not open links to external sites).

Why comment then if you haven't even bothered to see the clip... I respect your decision not to watch external sites, but that means you don't get to comment on discussion based on external sites...

Pity really, I was looking forward to your considered opinion...