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I'm just checking http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/iphone.pdf to see if it's specifically prohibitted.

oop, there it is

(c) Except as and only to the extent permitted by applicable law, or by licensing terms governing use of open-sourced components included with the iPhone Software or iPhone
Software Updates, you may not copy, decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, attempt to derive the source code of, decrypt, modify, or create derivative works of the iPhone
Software, iPhone Software Updates, or any part thereof. Any attempt to do so is a violation of the rights of Apple and its licensors of the iPhone Software and iPhone Software
Updates. If you breach this restriction, you may be subject to prosecution and damages
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Crispy said:
I'm just checking http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/iphone.pdf to see if it's specifically prohibitted.

oop, there it is
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I've read that clause many times elsewhere and I still think that nobody has ever really stood up to a company to fight out that in court. I think it makes for some really unfair contracts.

I can smash up a iPhone with a hammer and that therefore would break the license, as I modified it. If Apple still consider the software their property, then what did I buy if I bought a iPhone? If its just the hardware, then can I charge Apple for running their software on my hardware? If they then say I can't charge them, can I sue them for trespass?
 
Anything useful added in the new firmware update 1.1.4? Can't seem to find anything other than bug fixes and SDK compatibility.

Nothing useful then? Still no picture messages, multiple delete or mark as read? Or any of the other basic functions everyone's been asking for?
 
Kid_Eternity said:
Oh right, lol I thought the SDK thing was yesterday...:oops::hmm:
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Everyone's still downloading the SDK... :D From here its good, in terms of SDK's, and its much better than anything (for mobiles) in the past...

I'd be interested in how its "not a smart-phone" now. :D
 
Kid_Eternity said:
I guess the goalposts will be moved and the boring argument will just go on...
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I suspect it will be along the lines "it hasn't got copy+paste, and that's what smart-phone users do all day". Pity the nay-sayers are too short-sighted that they haven't worked why there isn't copy+paste...

But hey, now you can design your own replacement apps, with as much copy+paste as you want. Just come up with a workable system first... :D
 
jæd said:
I suspect it will be along the lines "it hasn't got copy+paste, and that's what smart-phone users do all day". Pity the nay-sayers are too short-sighted that they haven't worked why there isn't copy+paste...

But hey, now you can design your own replacement apps, with as much copy+paste as you want. Just come up with a workable system first... :D
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That C+P thing is a red herring if you ask me...
 
Kid_Eternity said:
That C+P thing is a red herring if you ask me...
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What does that mean?

jæd said:
Pity the nay-sayers are too short-sighted that they haven't worked why there isn't copy+paste...
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Oh, do tell.

And why is it "short sighted" to require a basic - and essential - function? I use copy/cut and paste every day on my phone. It's more useful than being able to squeeze a photo around the screen.
 
Its interesting reading blogs and news articles which seem confused by the charges. The SDK is *free*. Its distribution of apps via iTunes that costs $99. (And its only invite only to US-based devs at the moment). And you pay extra for support and assistance, etc...

That might be because the iPhone developer site was swamped yesterday, though...

The SDK so far looks interesting and seems to be an extension to Xcode (the IDE supplied by Apple), plus a simulator. Running apps being developed on a "real" iPhone appears to be used by download mechanism and is free-of-charge.
 
editor said:
What does that mean?
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A red herring is a metaphor for a diversion or distraction from an original objective. The term originates from the tradition whereby young hunting dogs in Britain were trained to follow a scent with the use of a "red" (salted and smoked) herring (see kipper). This pungent fish would be dragged across a trail until the puppy learned to follow the scent.
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Source.
 
jæd said:
The SDK so far looks interesting and seems to be an extension to Xcode (the IDE supplied by Apple), plus a simulator. Running apps being developed on a "real" iPhone appears to be used by download mechanism and is free-of-charge.
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I've only skim-read the release so I could be wrong here, but I am correct in that distribution of third party apps can only go through Apple who take a nice fat 30% cut for themselves?
 
editor said:
And why is it "short sighted" to require a basic - and essential - function? I use copy/cut and paste every day on my phone. It's more useful than being able to squeeze a photo around the screen.
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Go on then. Explain how you would implement it using a multi-touch uy. No peeking at Apple's patent, btw... :D
 
editor said:
I've only skim-read the release so I could be wrong here, but I am correct in that distribution of third party apps can only go through Apple who take a nice fat 30% cut for themselves?
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Yep, 30 % of the price. And prices start at $0.00... :D
 
Kanda said:
..and it goes on...
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Yep.

Anyhoo...interesting piece on the new sdk thingy here. This caught my eye:

The big news was the inclusion of support for Exchange, something that could be a game-changer when it comes to corporate IT acceptance of the iPhone. What do I mean? No more tortured work-arounds trying to figure out how to get company e-mail safely and securely on your iPhone. Until now, wary IT administrators have been able to fend off users demanding corporate iPhones by citing Gartner Inc. reports that the device doesn't mesh with the enterprise and lacks the safety features that enterprise users require.

As the iPhone turns one year old this summer, IT administrators may have a much harder time telling users that it no longer meets corporate security policies or doesn't work properly with their Exchange Messaging system. In fact, Microsoft Exchange business users will be able to take full advantage of the iPhone's ActiveSync functions, including push e-mail, push calendars, push contacts and global address lists (GAL
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Well that's the smartphone war won for Apple then...
 
jæd said:
Go on then. Explain how you would implement it using a multi-touch uy. No peeking at Apple's patent, btw...
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Don't know why you think I should have the answer to Apple's interface shortcomings, but I can't see why you couldn't just drag your finger across to highlight/copy text and then double tap or something.

And why are people "short sighted" for commenting on a serious omission of a phone's basic functionality?
 
From the piece above:

In a question-and-answer session during the SDK presentation, Apple CEO Steve Jobs was asked if he feels Research In Motion (RIM) might be worried that the iPhone will soon have a lot of the capabilities available on the Blackberry. He demurred; I won't. There should be significant concern in the RIM camp.


Jobs went on to spell out how well the iPhone is doing, noting that in the first eight months it's been on the market, it has garnered 28% of the smartphone market in the U.S. While RIM is still in the lead with 41%, its main customer base is almost exclusively corporate users -- the very customers Apple is trying to woo with these coming updates. Apple could make up that 13% gap in no time flat.
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As the iPhone turns one year old this summer, IT administrators may have a much harder time telling users that it no longer meets corporate security policies or doesn't work properly with their Exchange Messaging system. In fact, Microsoft Exchange business users will be able to take full advantage of the iPhone's ActiveSync functions, including push e-mail, push calendars, push contacts and global address lists (GAL
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Huzzah! :D :D

*Happy Boy Dance*
 
Now this is something I can see being big:

The iPhone won't stop at messaging when it comes to business applications. Sales people and users in the medical profession will also have reasons to head for an Apple Store. At the SDk announcement, one of the apps shown off was a Salesforce.com automation tool that, once it's in place on the iPhone, will allow users to easily see how they're performing against their sales goals. It's ironic that Salesforce, which is known for its Software as a Service (SaaS) and Web apps, still sees the advantage of native applications on the iPhone platform. The Salesforce.com application looked great and might be even better than the full desktop client because users can call customers by just clicking on a name in the database.

Another app demoed at the Apple event came from Epocrates, the medical software maker, and it might be the sleeper hit of the bunch. I am sure just about every iPod-loving doctor and nurse in every hospital in the U.S. is calling their IT people right now asking when they can get iPhones. From the demo, it looked like Eporactes' third-party app will be a boon for doctors needing quick drug-related information when interacting with patients.

It's a given that a lot of companies will be porting mobile versions of their software to the iPhone. But so will a lot of smaller, independent developers. Apple has ambitious plans for third-party development on the platform -- even for developers who have been making unofficial jailbroken applications. In fact, they now have even more incentive to port their applications over using the legitimate SDK. Apple is offering a $100 million iFund in conjunction with Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers to help iPhone application startups.
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