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Crispy said:
Apple on Nokia? Not in a million years :D

But yes, 3G iphone and SDK sounds very likely.
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Doesn't Nokia use WebKit in a browser? If it does, then there should be an opportunity to sell apps to Nokia owners, though this is pure speculation, but mutually beneficial competition is the best way to go, I think that's what everyone bar Microsoft is coming to realise, hopefully
 
Is there a price cut coming?

9to5Mac has received word that Apple is planning on dropping the prices on the iPhone and iPod line within the next month or two - perhaps at the rumoured late February event.

The price cut is said to be $100 on both the iPod touch and iPhone lines - and the 8GB iPod touch will apparently be dropped from the line-up just as the 4GB version of the iPhone was before it.

If true, this means that the 16GB iPhone will be $399 - the current price for the 8GB version and the 32GB iPod touch will come in at $399 too.

Following the same cost cut pattern, considering the difference in pricing, this means the UK could expect to see the 32GB iPod touch and 16GB iPhone both at £269.

9to5Mac predicts the price drops are in order to make way for "pricing space" for the 3G iPhone, expected this year.
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Sounds plausible if you ask me...
 
jæd said:
Sounds very obvious if you ask me and have any experience of Apple pricing strategies. Here's more "rumour". Apple will drop the 8 gb phone by mid Summer, perhaps June...
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Yeah that rumour is in the article above...
 
Seeing as I'm about to fork out for a new phone shortly, I thought I'd give the iPhone another chance, so I spent a fair bit of time with a demo model in Carphone Warehouse yesterday and have to say I could not get on with that awful keyboard.

I must have spent a good 5 minutes battling with it and it got no closer to even being remotely accurate. It was awful. Despite me really trying hard, words were coming out as compete gibberish. Worst of all (and maybe I missed something here) there was no way I could find to select a block of text to delete a part of it and start over.

Obviously I'm used to a hardware keyboard, but I would strongly suggest that anyone thinking about buying an iPhone gives its keyboard a real good try out first. It might work a treat for you but I hated it.
 
No highlight or cut and paste is one thing on most users wishlist.

Its not available yet but sooner or later it may appear in a patch.

Personally i get on with the keyboard fine. The predictive text helps too.
 
Been an iPhone user for a while and unless you are stationary attempting to text can be almost impossible :mad:

It did take a few days for me to get used to the keyboard but now I'm fairly fast at one fingered texting, though I do need to look at the screen now.

Edge coverage is still nonexistent and if you are coming from a 3G phone dont expect even text based websites to load fast.
 
Marius said:
Personally i get on with the keyboard fine. The predictive text helps too.
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Me too, in fact I managed to use it perfectly well after a good few drinks. Crappy price and contact aside I'd seriously consider getting one once they up the storage to 32gb and it's 3G...
 
You don't have to signup to an o2 contract. There is enough one click unlocking solutions available for free download online which don't require any IT knowledge.

If I wanted an iTouch i think spending an extra £60 to get an iPhone would make sense, £329 for a 16GB iPhone vs £269 for a 16GB iTouch.
 
editor said:
It's a total rip off but you gotta admire the innovation and the speed of the rip - the iClone comes with a removable battery, dual SIM cards and a microSD slot, as well as auto-rotate and multi-touch! The package is cheap too, including 2 batteries, Charger, USB Cable, Earphone, 512M T-Flash Card, User Manual and Phone Cover for $240!
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Dual sim cards! I've seen this on phones on ebay, but never had the courage to buy a phone from a company I've never heard of. For me it would be a godsend!

Signal shit? Switching from 3 to Vodaphone.
 
editor said:
Seeing as I'm about to fork out for a new phone shortly, I thought I'd give the iPhone another chance, so I spent a fair bit of time with a demo model in Carphone Warehouse yesterday and have to say I could not get on with that awful keyboard.

I must have spent a good 5 minutes battling with it and it got no closer to even being remotely accurate. It was awful. Despite me really trying hard, words were coming out as compete gibberish. Worst of all (and maybe I missed something here) there was no way I could find to select a block of text to delete a part of it and start over.

Obviously I'm used to a hardware keyboard, but I would strongly suggest that anyone thinking about buying an iPhone gives its keyboard a real good try out first. It might work a treat for you but I hated it.
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The keyboard's "intelligence" in being able to predict where your sausage like fingers are pounding relies very much on continued use by one person. It learns pretty quickly which keys you tap wrong in relation to which words, and adjusts itself accordingly.

Largely I find this works pretty well, though it doesn't predict as well as a numerical keypad as there are much more options for the word being spelt on a full keyboard (albeit a virtual one) than with the finate options of a key which contains three letters combined with a previous keystroke.

The main point to pay attention to in the Ed's case is that the keypad he was pounding in the shop had been pummelled by god knows how many people all hitting the keypad in different ways, with the result that the keypad is very, very confused.

Having said that, I don't think the iPhone is suitable for the Ed as it has so many compatibility drawbacks and simple function omissons.
 
dogmatique said:
The main point to pay attention to in the Ed's case is that the keypad he was pounding in the shop had been pummelled by god knows how many people all hitting the keypad in different ways, with the result that the keypad is very, very confused.
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That's not actually true. I've tried five different iPhones, starting with the ones that had just been put on display in the Brixton Carphone Warehouse. It was just as bad as the one I tried on the weekend.
 
Well, from my experience, limited to one iPhone used by just me, the keypad improves considerably in the first two weeks, so it does.

That said, again, virtual keypads will always suffer.
 
I want to love this phone, but i cant- i had a go on one and i wasnt impressed at all and i love all things mac...

Maybe by the time i get one they will have sorted out the functionality a bit better...
 
Every post on here i make whilst in work I make via my iPhone.

There may be better mobile keyboards out there but it sufficient as far as I'm concerned.
If i was using it for business it might be different but its not really aimed at that market.

Overall its a phone thats simple to use and that makes me use it a lot instead of being put off from using it.
 
editor said:
So what "innovation" are you waiting for?

If it's cutting edge innovation you're after, you won't find it in the iPhone - that barely passes for a real smartphone.
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Apart from the multi-touch, intuitive ui...? Certainly innovative. On my Palm the touch screen was a stand in for a mouse and wasn't used to manipulate items directly.

Or the whole package, from sync-ing effortlessly, actually being able to use a real web-browser on the move, and not having to deal with the phone company (ie activation by computer). Not had that before. Even with my Treo I had to make calls to get it set-up and working.

Is is a Smartphone...? Well, it's a feature-packed phone that works effortlessly... Thats pretty "smart". And I guess next week you'll be working on a new definition anyhow...

And this leads to the innovation that I think is coming : how people interact with the Internet once the have it their pocket... Yep. there have been phones with web-browsers before but either the browser has been clunky or the phone has.

I'm thinking you'll disagree with this, but tbh, I think it shows you don't really understand the iPhone and what makes it so attractive to some people... :D
 
jæd said:
Or the whole package, from sync-ing effortlessly, actually being able to use a real web-browser on the move, and not having to deal with the phone company (ie activation by computer). Not had that before. Even with my Treo I had to make calls to get it set-up and working.
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Eh? That sounds like a problem with your network because I just put in my SIM card and was ready to use my Treo. Same for Eme.

The Palm is very easy to sync and, of course, can currently sync far, far more content with desktops that the iPhone. Unlike the Apple product, Palm users can also install thousands of third party programs, many of them having their own conduit.

And I'd say Apple's policies towards the user are the strictest I've ever known: 'Dare to add something without our permission and we'll try and brick it'. Nice.
jæd said:
I'm thinking you'll disagree with this, but tbh, I think it shows you don't really understand the iPhone and what makes it so attractive to some people...
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Don't patronise me please because you'll only end up looking stupid. I write about this kind of stuff for a living and fully understand the iPhone's considerable appeal. However, unlike you, I can understand that it's not the phone for everyone, a shiny interface isn't everything and there are substantial compromises involved. A nice web browser is not at the top of the list for many mobile users, although it's certainly nice to have.

(apologies to others for talking about the Palm in this thread but jaed dragged my reply over from another thread for some reason)
 
editor said:
Don't patronise me please because you'll only end up looking stupid.
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Um... Any chance of remaining civil...? I was hoping for a reasoned discussion... :confused:

editor said:
However, unlike you, I can understand that it's not the phone for everyone, a shiny interface isn't everything and there are substantial compromises involved.
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Oh and, where I have said it was for everyone...? Ever since it was released I've made the point its a consumer phone...

editor said:
(apologies for others for talking about the Palm in this thread but jaed dragged my reply over from another thread for some reason)
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Because we started talking about the iPhone...
 
I find typing on the iPhone fine. I get about 30wpm. I did two-handed from the get-go. One finger typing would be
much slower. Not everyone gets on with it. I think it helps if you are good on a qwerty keyboard... Typing on a 'pattern' basis and letting auto correct sort out the odd mistake. My main issue with it is that - when posting as part of a web page -it slows down as the text field becomes more populated, and the lack of c'n'p.

But... even with these annoyances, the iPhone racks up a disproportionate amount of web traffic vs. any other mobile platform. For browsing, right now, I think it really rocks. The new Sony thing, due late this year, will up the ante. All in all, this is a good time for phone innovation. And I think the iPhone, for all it's imperfections, has been instrumental in that.
 
paolo999 said:
But... even with these annoyances, the iPhone racks up a disproportionate amount of web traffic vs. any other mobile platform. For browsing, right now, I think it really rocks. The new Sony thing, due late this year, will up the ante.
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You won't hear me knocking the iPhone's web browser: nothing comes even remotely close!

Of course, it's worth noting that web browsing often isn't the #1 priority for people buying a phone.
 
paolo999 said:
I find typing on the iPhone fine. I get about 30wpm. I did two-handed from the get-go. One finger typing would be
much slower. Not everyone gets on with it.
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I think some people have a mental problem with it; I managed on the keyboard fine the first time I used it (and this was after a couple of pints and few double jack daniels and cokes!).
 
editor said:
That's a very odd thing to say.
Could you explain and define this "mental problem" please?
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It's not that odd when you think about it but I wouldn't worry about it. As you say about the Centro to me, the iPhone simply isn't for you so you needn't worry about how well other people get on with it.
 
I agree. I have friends try to use it and fail, I can use it effortlessly on a wobbly train or bus whereas others couldn't use it if held in a vice :D
 
editor said:
You can get dual sim card slots for the Palm Centro now. :)

http://www.m-99.co.uk/Froogle/palm-centro-dual-sim.html
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Indeed you can get them for most phones, but they wont connect to two networks at once, many require turning the phone of and on and struggle with 3g sim cards. For my nokia you also have to chop up your sim cards to make them fit and most of the cheap ones they come with scant information on what mods they do to your os to make the switch easy if its the non reboot type. Even questions of dedicated phone forums hasn't yielded me much info. Did find a company based in switerland (cant remember the site now) whose offering looked very good, but were also quite pricey.

One of the appeals of some the chinese phones I've seen one ebay is that they will connect to two networs at once.

If you try one of these cheap jobs, I'd be very intrested in how you get on!
 
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